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Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Esg

    Esg Jedi Master star 4

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    Talia gave off the same vibe in KOTOR
     
  2. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Irishman.
     
  3. Likewater

    Likewater Jedi Master star 4

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    or the Black master in Dawn of the Jedi be named Quan-Jeng, named and physical ethic traits don't follow Earth norms in Star Wars.

    Though In Tor, You run into alot of Alien, female and brown to tawny people. Mirilans seem popular republic side, and Chiss Imp side. Zabrak seems to be popular cross faction.
     
  4. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Him not the king, thus my confusion. ;)
     
  5. Esg

    Esg Jedi Master star 4

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    So the Director of the SIS in TOR was also General Garza's first ex husband

    Any comments?
     
  6. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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  7. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    I don't know what 80% of that sentence means.
     
  8. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Translation: interracial marriage.
     
  9. Esg

    Esg Jedi Master star 4

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    Yep. And they have a black man as head of the Republic Security Intelligence service
    Play TOR or read Lost Suns
     
  10. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    :: points at TLI's post:: See how much more helpful he was? :p

    Not being overly familiar with the TOR stuff, yeah, it really does seem like interracial relationships, when they happen, are one of the better-handled elements of SW diversity.
     
  11. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Oh, and I take it back - the old king definitely isn't white. That one rebel girl that was trailing Saw, though.
     
  12. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    This actually brings up something I've never even thought about before...

    What's the diversity ratio like for TOR NPCs in general? Obviously the Sith Empire will be full of Red Sith, but ignoring those... are humans your standard cookie-cutter WHMs or do you get a broader, more randomised mix of NPCs as if BioWare literally just clicked "random" on the character generator?
     
  13. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah Coop -- calculate the entire NPC diversity ratio in TOR! Here's a site that will help you get started: Link

    If you don't do this I will assume you don't really care about this issue.[face_not_talking]
     
  14. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My first thought was a gay marriage, guess not. I know not of TOR. :p
     
  15. Mechalich

    Mechalich Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I have mentioned, several times, that the NPC mix in TOR is very diverse, and may very well be flattly random among the human population, which is itself the largest, but decidedly not overwhelmingly dominant group. While obvious budgetary reasons constrain precisely which types of aliens show up, there's a good mix.

    Another way to look at TOR is to look at the diversity of the companion characters, who play a larger role in the story than really anyone else (the PCs being variable types as is normal for video games).

    There are 40 companions (not counting the ship droids and the soon-to-be-introduced HK-51). They breakdown like so:
    Males: 28 Females: 12 (this counts 2 male droids and 1 female droid)
    Humans: 17 Near-Humans: 3 Humanoids: 9 True-Aliens: 8
    Organics: 37 Droids: 3 (though each character does get the ship droid)
    Intrahuman Diversity - White: 11 Black/African: 2 Hispanic/Latino: 3 Asian: 1 (this is a conservative count, several characters are rather nebulous, I counted Doc and Risha as 'white' for example).
     
  16. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Sanjay is an Indian name (derived from Sanskrit, in fact), Ramsis could also be vaguely Indian (Dendup too), and Talia used an Indian accent in KOTOR2. At the time, I suspected the latter was an imitation of Queen Jamilla's accent -- that is, a sort of "royal accent" (Amidala had a different sort of royal intonation herself). TCW may have just turned it into a general Onderonian thing: Roman aesthetics, but Indian looking and sounding folks.
     
  17. JediFreac

    JediFreac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Hopefully no one has mentioned this yet, but I was kind of impressed by the upcoming series Agent of the Empire: Hard Target. (Well, at least the cover for Part I manages to break the racial Bechedel test for Star Wars covers.)

    [​IMG]

    Sure, while the main character is another white male, but this comic will include Boba Fett (irl Maori) and Bail Organa (irl Latino) and it also features a woman of color as the assassin. None of this diversity feels really forced, and of course there was the opportunity to make the assassin a white human male but they didn't do that.

    Of course, then I see that the writer is John Ostrander...
     
  18. Esg

    Esg Jedi Master star 4

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    I thought Cross was the assassin? And the woman was the bodyguard for the Count?
     
  19. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Yeah - you haven't read the issue yet, Freac, have you? :p

    But you're right; it's shaping up pretty well so far. Though I miss the Nikto detective already.
     
  20. Rilwen_Shadowflame

    Rilwen_Shadowflame Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Freac, as you mentioned the Fett/Maori thing...
    There is a thing that bugs me.

    Jango's family... why are they white? Why does he have a blonde sister? Why do neither of his parents have features like his? Plus I just looked at the picture of him from that comic as well, and sheesh. AOTC had Boba, his clone, serving as 'this is what Jango looked like as a child.' Young Jango in the comic? Not so much, in my opinion at least.

    I get that the comic in which they turned up was released before the theatre release of the film, but not before it was cast. Wouldn't it be sensible, if featuring characters who are of the film, to get that sort of thing worked out? You know, so you don't wind up with odd things in which characters are drawn nothing like the way they'll be on-screen?
     
  21. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Adopted? You got to remember he lives in a part of the galaxy where the favorite pastime of its locals is killing each other over a culture that for all intended and purposes died more than 3000 years before or annoying their galactic neighbors into killing them off.
     
  22. Rilwen_Shadowflame

    Rilwen_Shadowflame Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    This is from the comic about his birth family, Gorefiend. The one where they die and he's taken in by Jaster Mereel. Where they were apparently farmers, not Mandalorian warriors, at the time.
     
  23. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    I know, though he could still be adopted by elder Fett, when someone killed his birth partners over some trivial matter.
     
  24. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Actually, his parents are dark enough to be his parents. (Remember, Temuera Morrison is of partial European descent himself), but I have no idea why his sister is blonde.
     
  25. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    All adopted [face_plain] Mandos just keep stealing children after killing their parents, because their own ones keep dying or running off to a saner parts of the galaxy like Hutt Space.:p