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Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    I am consistently astounded by the seeming correlation between a certain kind of stubborn hatred of new canon and some severely outdated and bigoted views. Now I'm definitely not saying that it's omnipresent. But anecdotally, I've definitely noticed a pattern on this very site.
     
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  2. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    It must have before, in the EU.
     
  3. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Wait hold on.

    Are you seriously suggesting Randd gave Ciena a Star Destroyer...

    Because they're both black.

    It literally said, in the book, that she was given a Star Destroyer due to a severe lack of remaining component officers, not because of some kind of racial bias.
     
  4. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    Excellent. My plan for turning every single thread into a BBL thread will be complete!
     
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  5. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    You're right in that maybe this wasn't the thread for that but... man.
     
  6. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm saying Rand, while thinking "hmm... who do I give this Star Destroyer to..." the fact that Ciena has the same skin color may have helped her "case".
    This is all in hindsight.
    I didn't know that Rand is space!African Galaxian.
     
  7. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    What the **** is wrong with you.
     
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  8. DARTH_MU

    DARTH_MU Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it's best I leave the Lit section of these boards.
     
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  9. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Uh. No. It was because...


    To think otherwise is ridiculous and not a little insulting.
     
  10. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    ...Could we not go there? I actually think you are getting at something here as far as a connection between bigotry in the 'nerd' community and certain kinds of fandom toxicity goes, though I can't quite articulate it yet. But let's try not to make it sound at ALL like opposition to the new canon is connected to bigotry, even anecdotally, because it's not fair and only stirs up bad feeling.
     
  11. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    Yeah, no I get you. I didn't mean to imply that, I was more getting at what you were saying there.
     
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  12. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    If Mu has indeed abandoned us for greener pastures we can probably just leave it at that.
     
  13. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Master star 4

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    Taking a step back, I'm fine with characters not being on the covers because I think it makes for much more elegant book jackets.
     
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  14. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    I'm fine, aesthetically, with only one character being on a cover, the problem is it's never a new character.
     
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  15. tatooinesandworm

    tatooinesandworm Jedi Master star 3

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    Are you saying you preferred Catalyst over A New Dawn? Gah?!?


    Sent from my Ornithopter using The Force
     
  16. Stymi

    Stymi Force Ghost star 4

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    I don't have stats to back this up. But I also definitely think it's a thing. And not just a Star Wars thing. Similar patterns with Marvel Comics in general and the Hunger Games situation...which was particularly gross.

    Sent from my Moto X-Wing
     
  17. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Side with us, folks- the opposition are a bunch of bad people.
     
  18. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Master star 4

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    Guys, speaking as someone who argues for diversity in 40k - the most cryptofascist game there is - y'all are lucky with the fantastic quality of discourse here.
     
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  19. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    I Think you are using the term cryptofascist wrong.
     
  20. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Here's my take: statistically there's probably something to that--honestly I'm very conscious of it when I'm talking to new people whose motives I'm unsure of--but it doesn't really further any kind of productive conversation. Maybe homophobic people are, I don't know, 25% more likely to be anti-reboot or whatever, but pointing that out is just inviting a broader political argument that makes it harder to find common ground. I'd rather focus on the 5% I agree with someone than the 20% I most disagree with.
     
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  21. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    The notion that the anti-NuCanon crowd is bigoted seems to me like a shallow attempt to discredit an opposing party. I use such harsh words because it feels like a personal attack on me and like-minded JCers. If someone has the audacity to criticise the current state of Star Wars does that make them a racist? Attempting to link anti-NuCanon folks to racism isn't helping anyone.
     
  22. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I agree that it can be misconstrued to be that NuCanon people and anyone who is anti reboot is doing so cause a political reason, but at the same time the majority of people I see talk about refusing to read NuCanon stuff (mainly those save Legends fanclubs) say some pretty offensive stuff. I am sure there is a coloration, like I used to follow some fellow Legends fans and stopped the moment they said some sexist stuff about female Revan that where clearly thinly veiled bigotry.Maybe it has to do with the coloration between those kinds of people and people who dislike change in general
     
  23. JediBatman

    JediBatman Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't see the need to BBL, but I agree. Mu has expressed some . . . interesting opinions before, and in any case I would hate for a whole group of fans to be judged solely based on the words or actions of one individual.
     
  24. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, I mean, I think there's a real phenomenon here for the same reason I object to framing it specifically about anti-rebooted Star Wars fans - because you can *very much* see this same sort of thing in other fandoms, like comics. My guess is that it's tied to a certain confrontational 'siege mentality' strain in nerd culture going back to its earlier era, but that's only half-formulated. But making it out to be a specific thing with SW is, yeah, unconstructive and unhelpful.
     
  25. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Master star 4

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    I mean, read old X-Men or Wonder Woman letters columns.