Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    I think you are confusing SW for semi-hard SF
  2. Ghost Chosen One

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    Well we've never seen a human die of old age in Star Wars, to be fair.
  3. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    Yoda could be an example of age extension technology.
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  4. vncredleader Jedi Master

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    Didn't Ackbar in legends? Honestly is there any in TCW or Rebels?
  5. Ghost Chosen One

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    Ackbar is human? And he died of old age in the movies? :p


    Ok, just to settle it now, he died of a disease on the eve of the final battle in the Unifying Force, and we could see him being taken care of in Destiny's Way by Winter.

    Also, despite Palpatine's age and health, no one expected him to die anytime soon. Or Dooku.

    It could even be why some planets value young people so much, like Naboo. Because the galaxy is full of old people.
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  6. vncredleader Jedi Master

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    .....................well umm the thing about that is............smoke bomb

    In my defense I was not paying attention, so yeah I have no defense. :oops:But yeah it seems humans in the GFFA only die when it's dramatic. I would imagine it's like Mutants in X-Men comics where we as time go on come up with the excuse of them living slightly longer than humans
  7. LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master

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    We did see a human Witch of Dathomir die of old age in The Courtship of Princess Leia. Mother Rell. She was almost 400.
  8. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I don't know actual figures but even here on Earth I'm sure there's a notable disparity between life expectancy in the first world and in little remote villages--or hell, even between the one percent and those below the poverty level. The GFFA is exactly the same.

    Come to think of it, look at Cliegg Lars--he could live in Pittsburgh and have access to a pretty good prosthetic leg, but on Tatooine all he gets is a floating chair.
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  9. vncredleader Jedi Master

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    Damn right he could!! :D............I am from Pittsburgh if that is not obvious
  10. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    TLJ's plot twist is that Yoda was Darth Plagueis all along. "The brightest light casts the darkest shadow" and all that jazz because he's playing both sides.
  11. Jeff_Ferguson Jedi Grand Master

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    Didn't Cliegg choose the chair because he stubbornly didn't want to be "part-droid" or something? I think that was from the AOTC novelization.
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  12. jakobitis89 Jedi Master

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    Which was not at all mentioned in the film itself however. So the reason remains hypothetical but the fact remains we know there are viable and usable prosthetic human limbs available in the GFFA (because Luke has one) but that for whatever reason Cliegg doesn't have one. Whether by choice or not is left unclear.
  13. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    It is possible that it is just that he has not have had the time to get one or the one he has ordered is under construction.
  14. Jeff_Ferguson Jedi Grand Master

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    Or maybe...

    his leg was dead, son...

    ... and he accepted it
  15. Gamiel Force Ghost

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  16. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    I posted this on the Leia thread about why we should include gay characters in Star Wars. I feel it was worth a repost:

    Why?

    Sticking to Star Wars, it's mostly because "real life is diverse." It was a common joke that Lando was the only black man in the universe until Return of the Jedi and now there's Mace Windu, Finn, Panaka, Adi Gallia, Typho, and that guy piloting an A-Wing. A similar joke was made about the fact Leia, Mon Mothma, and Ion Cannon Girl were the only women in TOT. Star Wars was always meant to be a universe which incredibly diverse and full of unique as well as interesting things. Even though Alderaan's forces were lily-white and male, A New Hope created the sense of this when Luke enters the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    There's a bar full of all manner of amazing things and you know what they all have in common? They're all Space Truckers. An infinite variety of diverse people who all have the same crappy job smuggling stuff to and from Jabba's desert world.

    An equivalent scene in our world would be possible if you went to the Port of Los Angeles and a bar there with people from the Middle East, China, Africa, New Zealand, and plenty of other people. Which, in fact, you can do and I did a couple of times when I stayed in the city.

    When I write my books, I've included plenty of gay characters. Not because it's an "agenda" but because why not? It makes them more detailed even if it's a random note. I've got a few 1 star ratings on Amazon because of it but also letters from people who feel like I included them in my world. Which is good.
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  17. Gamiel Force Ghost

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  18. JediFreac Jedi Grand Master

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    So, ah, I guess #SWisagirlthingtoo ?
  19. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    It's a film made for twelve year olds...
  20. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I was involved very briefly when they started planning that and suffice it to say I was very pleased with how it ended up playing out.
  21. Gamiel Force Ghost

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  22. Gamiel Force Ghost

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  23. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    It's not the parsecs, it's the wear.
  24. Ulicus Lapsed Moderator

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    Mass Effect was exactly as bad as Star Wars.

    Sure, we were TOLD that the lifespan had increased and that human beings remained (physically) in their twenties well into their forties (in much the same way that the old EU banged on about advanced human lifespans in SW), but where did we SEE this demonstrated outside of Kahlee Sanders in Karpyshyn's books?

    Exactly nowhere.

    Anderson? A dude in his forties who looks like a dude in his forties.

    Hackett? A dude in his fifties who looks like a dude in his late sixties.

    Shepard? A dude in his late twenties who looks like a forty-something supermodel. (When he's not a she, anyway)

    EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, this is something that really bothered me in Mass Effect and almost always sets me off. :p
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  25. unironically Jedi Youngling

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    no homo tho