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Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Joystick Chevron

    Joystick Chevron Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I just finished reading Son of Dathomir for the first time. A book where a person possesses people and creates herself a body because space magic. Every single last character in Star Wars could be trans and it would be the most realistic thing they've done.
     
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  2. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    I could be wrong but I think Peter is saying "Seven with Prabhakar", which Milles miss-hear. But I admit that it could be me who miss-heard
     
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  3. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I don't think Miles mishears - Peter says "Save it for Comic-Con." It's a meta joke about Miles complaining about the characters appearing in the movie.

    Also, did anyone ever post this? Because it's delightful.
     
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  4. jSarek

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    He says "Save it for Comic-Con."

    EDIT: ... and sniped by the radar technician.
     
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  5. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Thanks. Oh, well, my mistake then.

    Ehe, from a design point they are not that impressive. I'm not saying that I dislike the idea or her art style but to say that "they rule" as that article author is saying is going a bit to far. But maybe I'm just to critical.
     
  6. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    I think “delightful” is a pretty solid description. Art styles are subjective.
     
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  7. Point Given

    Point Given Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wasn't slightly altered, it was radically altered. Gender Identity disorder was removed and replaced with dysphoria as a disorder. What this means is the act of having GID is not a disorder but having distress over dysphoria is considered one.

    Put it this way. Homosexuality as a whole was once considered a disorder. If say someone was distressed over being homosexual and such distress was considered a disorder,then that would be the analogue to this change.

    So yes that's not a slight alteration, it's basically a constitutional amendment in psychiatry/psychology
     
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  8. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    I can go with delightful, I was actually only commenting on the io9 post not @BobaMatt 's thoughts on it.
     
  9. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    I haven't actually clicked on the link, but given that it's Gamiel he's probably just ticked off about the gorgets being oversized or something like that.
     
  10. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    [face_laugh]
     
  11. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Oh I want this to be true so then we can have the whole Disney Princess routine. The Knights of Ren reimagined as Steampunkers. The Knights of Ren reimagined as rocks. The Knights of Ren reimagined as Jedi. The Knights of Ren reimagined as men. .....wait
     
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  12. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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  13. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    Did anyone else get certain vibes from the last paragraph

    But for real people like this make me sick
     
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  14. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    To be fair, while the outright formally self-identifying BBL types have pretty much always been *******s, it's a bit much to say this scumbag is even really CLAIMING to speak for Legends fans as a whole as opposed to just the Nazis.
     
  15. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    It makes me ****ing sick.

    But I'm also noticing that the other EU groups have much, much members. These losers have, what, 200 members? The group they split off from has over 3000. And most of the posts on their FB page has been trashing them.

    I am curious how FB hasn't pulled the page after their post about Kathleen Kennedy's birthday though...
     
  16. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Knight star 3

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    On the bright side, I hope that now people can understand how easily the space Nazis got support.
     
  17. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Why certainly not in my name.

    EDIT: This made me think... couldn't we, we the decent EU lovers of lit, come up with some sort of joint statement regarding this sorry affair?
     
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  18. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh dear Waru. :eek::([face_sigh]

    How often do we see the Disney Princess (minus Eilonwy and Calla who get's no respect) as rocks or men?
     
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  19. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Some people really need to get a life.
     
  20. Sannom

    Sannom Jedi Master star 3

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    And soon, hopefully, we shall have it in glorious live action!

    It's missing a lady with the measurements of Pamela from Archer, from both her spy-day era and her latest danger-island era.
     
  21. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Is it?

    Nowhere does he say this was on the behalf of Legends fans.

    "I along with many others"
    "the true fans"
    "each and every one of you"
    "small group within The Alliance to Preserve the Expanded Universe"
    "groups across all forms of social media that agreed with the examples and ideals we've set"
    "real Star Wars fans"
    "many others in the army"

    I'm just not seeing my name in there. If anything, its explicitly not in my name, as I don't fall under any of those descriptions.

    Wanting the same thing doesn't mean their actions are in our name. It doesn't actually work that way. If a Muslim who wants whatever bombs something, is it done in the name of every Muslim who wants whatever? Is the Muslims screams about it being done in the name of all Muslims, is that valid? No, I'm pretty sure we've decided it isn't.

    But, even if it was being done in my name, I'm not really worried about a bunch of idiots doing something and claiming it was in my name. I find it quite easy to divorce myself from them, and I'm not really bothered by this at all.

    But I suppose it's easier for me because I don't like Star Wars and never have.
     
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  22. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Often! You'll find both online. Several of the latter because the world, alas, lacks geologists.
    I think the Powers-That-Be know most people who grew up on the old books aren't racist bigots.

    I'm inclined to ignore things like this because they remind me of someone throwing rocks in a pool (one splash and then the ripples go away), but a joint statement put on the main TFN page, including its Facebook and other outlets, would be most effective I imagine. But at the same time, I'd caution against mentioning the Bring Back Legends brigade, because that's just going to add fuel to their fire.

    I hate to be cliched as hell and use Rose's quote, but a statement supporting Kelly Marie Tran would be more effective than fighting the jerks.
     
  23. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    @CT-867-5309 Eloquently put, my good sir!

    @Barriss_Coffee Oh, but I don't think a statement would have to mention the Brigade (or any similar group) by name. Just make a vibrant stand. We could even sign our names--or at the very least nicknames.
     
  24. spicer

    spicer Jedi Master star 4

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    I feel sick in my stomach from reading that [face_sick] When I first read the screenshot you posted I so hoped that it's a lame fake of some sorts...but then I opened the link, and it's legit :( What is wrong with these people?!?

    First and foremost, I am a Star Wars fan, and I like (in my very subjective opinion) good Star Wars stories, regarldess of canonicity. That said, I do love plenty of Legends stuff, and therefore I am a Legends fan. But what these bullies did and are doing are a disgrace to fandom. This behavior must end!
    I think something should be done to make clear that this very persistent minority comprised of bullies does not represent the rest of us.
     
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  25. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Yeah, to be clear, I don't think this particular group, or even that particular person, are directly responsible for KMT, even if several of them may have been among those who harassed her. But that they'd want to take credit for it, and explicitly link it to the GUL cause, absolutely pisses me off and I wanted people here to be aware of it.
     
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