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Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Khalil O., Mar 15, 2013.

  1. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    In the Empire Strikes Back, Han Solo tells a rebel soldier, "Then, I'll see you in Hell!" after the soldier warns him that he'll freeze to death if he goes to find Luke. Hell, or any concept of it, isn't mentioned in any of the other movies, with the only reference to it being this line. Did the director or Harrison Ford take some liberties at this part? Did George Lucas want him to say that?
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  2. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    Why would they need to mention hell? It could just be something that a few small groups believe in, or a figure of speech. I doubt they thought about it as much as you have.
  3. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    They say the word "hell" in TCW. Not a big deal.
  4. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    No big deal in-universe, maybe, but I remember the TOTC people freaking out over it, though that's another topic.
  5. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    TOTC?
    Although, having the word "hell" on Cartoon Network shows is not a big deal. They've aired worse.
  6. Vthuil Force Ghost

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    "Think Of The Children".
  7. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    The reference just seemed out of place, and I was wondering if Lucas wanted a "hell" to be a part of his Star Wars universe, or if Harrison Ford was just "in the zone" at that part and they decided to keep it because it sounded good. The EU elaborates on it, but its never touched on in the movies, so I'm not so sure Lucas originally had it in mind, similar to how lightsabers were originally only meant to be blue and red, but now they come in every color imaginable. Anyway, I just thought it was an interesting topic for discussion and wanted to see what others thought.

    If there's a Star Wars Hell, is there a Star Wars Heaven?
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  8. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    Well, Anakin mentions Angels. I don't see why Solo can't mention hell.
  9. bstnsx704 Jedi Grand Master

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    Jar Jar mentions that the gungans believe in gods and Han Solo refers to Hell; seems that religions in some form or another exist in the Star Wars galaxy.
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  10. TheMadHatter Jedi Grand Master

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    lazy writing

    don't take it any notice
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  11. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    If you want a wholesome cartoon channel, check out PBS Kids. NOT Cartoon Network. :)
    I know this and I don't even get the Cartoon Network channel at my house.
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  12. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    My children have heard worse than the word "hell" when riding with me during rush hour traffic.

    90 percent of the time, the "TOTC" crowd needs to just STFU. Do they think that "the children" are going to be so sheltered when they get out of the house?

    I saw ESB for the first time when I was eight years old and didn't think anything about Han saying "I'll see you in hell."

    As far as Lucas wanting Harrison to say it, who knows. Harrison did take some liberties with the dialogue. Given that a lot of religions have a concept of hell, I don't see what the big deal it.
  13. Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus

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    Lazy posting, don't take it any notice.

    Just because a specific religion isn't really touched upon, doesn't mean there isn't any. The movies are obviously very spiritual, and there good deal of the faith involved in a lot of the characters. The Force itself seems to be seen as a religion by some who aren't Jedi. And many religions have a place similar to Hell, where sinners and ne'er do wells go. Not out of line to think that Han believes there is a place such as hell.

    Also, think of how many Atheists and Agnostics use the phrase. They may tell someone to go to Hell, or exclaim "Jesus Christ" in exasperation, even though they may not believe in the specific references, because they've become common phrases in our language.
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  14. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    Not clear on this, but I think that in SW there are either religions with a concept of hell and/or there actually is a hell, like the netherworld of the Force or something for darksiders? Anyone know?
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  15. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    Technically the Jedi and Sith are religions (just look at my signature lol), and like some of the other comments brought out, Anakin mentions angels and Jar Jar talks about gungan gods, so religions definitely exist in the SW universe. Han just didn't strike me as the most religious person (lol, look at my sig again), so I guess I'm leaning towards Star Wars idiom/Harrison Ford's artistic expression for the "see you in hell" quote.

    And, why would Han go to hell, anyway? Was his life really that bad? He was risking his life to save Luke, after all.
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  16. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos
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  17. Bale Force Ghost

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    Hell exists. How would it be offensive for Han or TCW to mention Hell?
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  18. Jedi General Gelderd Force Ghost

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    It's a wonderful nod to his Indiana Jones character. I can see him saying that as he rides off on a horse in 'Raiders Of The Lost Ark' or something.

    It's just part of Hans' hot-headedness I think. Nothing major by it.
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  19. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    Probably the most accurate answer.

    I really don't think Han actually believed in a Hell, or in any religion, for that matter. He told Luke:

    "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny."

    Does anyone think that his attitude about this changed throughout the OT? Could he be different in the ST?
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  20. Jedi General Gelderd Force Ghost

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    Deffo! I think his character changes most from when we first see him on Tatooine to the finale on the Forest Moon.

    In 'ANH' he is a non-believer, out for a fast few credits with no-one to think about but himself and Chewie. But the cause he is involved in soon makes him see the greater inpact he will have on not just a few people, but the whole galaxy. Hence his big return to the Battle of Yavin!

    In 'ESB' he thinks his job his done, we see him try to convince himself he's done but we know he feels so much for Leia, Luke and the cause of the Rebellion and certainly puts himself more in danger to help those around him. Especially in the finale at Bespin. He turns from scoundrel to General in these moments.

    In 'ROTJ' he is a major leader of men, a hero to the Rebellion and one whom is leading those on a quest to save the galaxy and he is thinking about everyone else, not just himself. He even takes to letting an Ewok rest on his thigh. The 'ANH' Han would have pushed him off.

    A great character with a major development in each episode, and I hope we see a nice finale, or resolution to his career in Episode VII. :)
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  21. Aaronaman Jedi Grand Master

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    Who know's what the word 'hell' means in the SW's universe.....it might not have anything to do with religion at all, hell might be a spa room on the Hoth base when the Rebels relax in their bunny slippers and drink hot coco.

    They're not on Earth remember hahaha
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  22. TheMadHatter Jedi Grand Master

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    Lazy posting, don't take it any notice.

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    last I heard it's called opinion

    anyway, different religions are fine, I think it would have been a lot more original to make another word for it in a galaxy far far away

    feel free to disagree though, and call me lazy etc
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  23. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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    Haha, we've already addressed that - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos

    Their concept of hell is pretty similar to ours.
  24. Aaronaman Jedi Grand Master

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    I like my version a little better hahaha
  25. Khalil O. Jedi Master

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