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Discussion in 'Big Brother 3: The Mods Strike Back' started by Terr_Mys, Oct 19, 2004.

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  1. Terr_Mys Force Ghost

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    ...that Kerry will win New Hampshire. Nothing personal to my Democratic housemates, of course, but I usually take pride in the fact that I live in the only relatively conservative state in the Northeast. Ex:

    [image=http://www.multied.com/elections/ElectUSA2000.gif]

    Judging by what I'm hearing, though, things aren't looking good for me.

    Come on, conservatives, let's think of something. I don't want to be in a blue state (or red state, if you watch CBS... I do like blue a lot more).
  2. StarWars_Revelation Jedi Grand Master

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    They'll never take Texas alive!
  3. Terr_Mys Force Ghost

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    Is it possible to kill Texas? Or should we not mess with it? :)

    But I mean, NH is a traditionally conservative state. We have one of the most fiscally conservative state economies, and we were chosen for that whole Free State Project (which is libertarian, yes, but they're conservative on many issues). Live Free or Die, man. However, we are bordered by Quebec, Vermont, and Massachusetts - three places where gay marriage is legal, for example. Our state legislature would never legalise that if their lives depended upon it. And we all know that Maine is gonna come out of the closet any day now.
  4. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    ME is more conservative then NH.

    NH is falling to Kerry.

    I take great pride that my native RI, voted for Gore by the highest margin in the union. You could then conclude that we are the most intelligent :)

    -Seldon
  5. StarWars_Revelation Jedi Grand Master

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    There's also only about a million of you guys.
  6. Terr_Mys Force Ghost

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    Yeah, but our votes are more valuable in that we have a lower-than-average ratio of populace to electoral votes. Not that anyone will lose the election by losing NH, but you never know...
  7. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    If Bush loses NH but keeps all the other red states then he will still win the election thanks to reapportionment, and right now it looks like he is going to keep all his other states.

    Kerry, on the other hand, has to win all of the blue states and another state (in addition to NH), but he is in trouble in WI, IA, possible, MN, and even PA is in play.

    AYBABTU

  8. Qui Gon Jim23 Force Ghost

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    I take great pride that my native RI, voted for Gore by the highest margin in the union. You could then conclude that we are the most intelligent

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    ::gasp::

    Aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



    Even we here in his "home" state knew better.
  9. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

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    I like the map that divides the country by county and shows just how many counties Bush won compared to Gore.

    Amazing.
  10. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    I like how Gore won more votes even thought Bush won more counties.
  11. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

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    I like how if you don't count NYC and LA, Bush won by about 1.5 million votes. But if you want the two largest cities deciding who runs the country, I suppose there might be merit somewhere in there.

    Amazing.
  12. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    "I like the map that divides the country by county and shows just how many counties Bush won compared to Gore."

    [image=http://home.mindspring.com/~srhettb/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/e2000map.jpg]

    AYBABTU

  13. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    That map is misleading to those who don't understand basic geography. It appears that the majority of the nation voted for Bush. But if you look almost all urban areas voted for Gore. The counties with the most amount of population in the nation usually voted for Gore.

    -Seldon
  14. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Thank you for most succinctly making a case in favor of the electoral college. Great work.

    AYBABTU

  15. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    I agree with the idea of it. Alexander Hamilton was very correct in asking for it.

    Also Rhett, the map shows that the majority of the counties voted for Bush, not the majority of the population. I would never want a system where the most amount of counties decide instead of the number of people.
    I am fine with the state thing, that is okay, I just don't like the system when the S. Court decides.

    -Seldon
  16. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Do you have any idea what the Supreme Court actually decided? Seriously, any idea at all?

    AYBABTU

  17. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    Yeah, do I need to write a history of the court to prove it to you. Shall we begin discussing Marshal or one of the court decisions.,right now because we both know this is about to go off track.

    -Seldon
  18. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    I'm not talking about the Marshall Court. I'm talking about the Supreme Court decision in 200, the one you just implied slected the president.

    What exactly did they rule?

    AYBABTU

  19. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    I believe the exact ruing was as follows,

    Per Curiam

    SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

    GEORGE W. BUSH, et al., PETITIONERS v.
    ALBERT GORE, Jr., et al.
    ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT

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    [December 12, 2000]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Per Curiam.
    I

    On December 8, 2000, the Supreme Court of Florida ordered that the Circuit Court of Leon County tabulate by hand 9,000 ballots in Miami-Dade County. It also ordered the inclusion in the certified vote totals of 215 votes identified in Palm Beach County and 168 votes identified in Miami-Dade County for Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., and Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democratic Candidates for President and Vice President. The Supreme Court noted that petitioner, Governor George W. Bush asserted that the net gain for Vice President Gore in Palm Beach County was 176 votes, and directed the Circuit Court to resolve that dispute on remand. ___ So. 2d, at ___ (slip op., at 4, n. 6). The court further held that relief would require manual recounts in all Florida counties where so-called ?undervotes? had not been subject to manual tabulation. The court ordered all manual recounts to begin at once. Governor Bush and Richard Cheney, Republican Candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency, filed an emergency application for a stay of this mandate. On December 9, we granted the application, treated the application as a petition for a writ of certiorari, and granted certiorari. Post, p. ___.

    The proceedings leading to the present controversy are discussed in some detail in our opinion in Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd., ante, p. ____ (per curiam) (Bush I). On November 8, 2000, the day following the Presidential election, the Florida Division of Elections reported that petitioner, Governor Bush, had received 2,909,135 votes, and respondent, Vice President Gore, had received 2,907,351 votes, a margin of 1,784 for Governor Bush. Because Governor Bush?s margin of victory was less than ?one-half of a percent . . . of the votes cast,? an automatic machine recount was conducted under §102.141(4) of the election code, the results of which showed Governor Bush still winning the race but by a diminished margin. Vice President Gore then sought manual recounts in Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade Counties, pursuant to Florida?s election protest provisions. Fla. Stat. §102.166 (2000). A dispute arose concerning the deadline for local county canvassing boards to submit their returns to the Secretary of State (Secretary). The Secretary declined to waive the November 14 deadline imposed by statute. §§102.111, 102.112. The Florida Supreme Court, however, set the deadline at November 26. We granted certiorari and vacated the Florida Supreme Court?s decision, finding considerable uncertainty as to the grounds on which it was based. Bush I, ante, at ___?___ (slip. op., at 6?7). On December 11, the Florida Supreme Court issued a decision on remand reinstating that date. ___ So. 2d ___, ___ (slip op. at 30?31).

    On November 26, the Florida Elections Canvassing Commission certified the results of the election and declared Governor Bush the winner of Florida?s 25 electoral votes. On November 27, Vice President Gore, pursuant to Florida?s contest provisions, filed a complaint in Leon County Circuit Court contesting the certification. Fla. Stat. §102.168 (2000). He sought relief pursuant to §102.168(3)(c), which provides that ?[r]eceipt of a number of illegal votes or rejection of a number of legal votes sufficient to change or place in doubt the result of the election? shall be grounds for a contest. The Circuit Court denied relief, stating that Vice President Gore failed to meet his burden of proof. He appealed to the First District Court of Appeal, which certified the matter to the Florida Supreme Court.

    Accepting jurisdiction, the Florida Supreme Court affirmed in part and reversed in part
  20. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    But you still haven't read it. Can you tell me the real, legal and judicial effects of the ruling, and how it "selected" Bush as president?

    AYBABTU

  21. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    [image=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/maps.Par.0010.ImageFile.jpg]

    This is a much better map to look at.
    Note that the red states in this map are Gore states and the blue states here are Bush states.

    Rhett: I know the supreme court did not make the decision. I over exaggerated. However a presidental election issue about the vote counting should never be discussed in a court.

    It was just a bad situation

    -Seldon
  22. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    What Rhett, no comment about the population map? After all in these sorts of things you should be looking at state population rather than square feet.

    -Seldon
  23. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    You posted a map that shows proportional state size based on electoral count. I posted a map that shows the actual to-scale geography of the nation. What is there to discuss?

    Now I'm asking... what did the court decision do?

    AYBABTU

  24. carmenite42 Jedi Master

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    Isn't that how the electoral college works? By looking at state populations?

    I'm not quite getting your point here, Seldon.
  25. Darth-Seldon Force Ghost

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    Rhett tried to stress in his map that Bush won the majority of the land area of our nation.

    I posted a map which illustrates where the population is.

    In my opinion if all you do is glance at the county map, you will be mislead that bush won more votes then he did.

    In this type of situation, people should really look at the population map as well as others.

    -Seldon
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