Amph "I'm Going to Kill You With My Tea Cup": The Chronicles of Riddick

I totally don't remember that. I'll have to break out my copy of the DVD and re-watch the beginning.

That line (or anything resembling it) isn't in the novelization, and the entire last 15 pages of the book is an appendix explaining the history and practices of the Necromonger faith (including a play-by-play of all the Lord Marshals, from the first one up to the one we see in 'Chronicles of Riddick' - there were six, for the curious). The book makes it very clear that the Underverse is an alternate dimension that the souls of deceased Necromongers transcend to upon death.

 

Just bloody WOW!

I didn't realise that there was such a rich backstory! I thought the Lord Marshall seen in the film was the one and only, and original Lord Marshall!

15 pages... wish I could read it... don't suppose you want to write a transcript of it... bit by bit? I know 15 pages is a lot to ask... perhaps a general summary???

 

Um... I would, but I'm a little busy with work and other obligations at the moment (doing massive edits and rewrites on my AvP website, for one). If I get some free time, I'll see what I can do.
I recommend buying the novelization, though. It's very cool, and it adds to the movie a lot.

 

I loved this movie but I dont understand why alot of people (when it came out) didnt like it.

 

The Chronicles of Riddick was a terrible movie for several reasons. First there is the semi-religious crap (the Holy Half-Dead? Give me a break!). Then there are the bad names (Necromongers?). After that there is the sucky acting (Riddick removes his shades for dramatic effect in every scene, sometimes more than once). Did I mention that the plot has as many holes as a slice of Swiss cheese?

 

Did I mention that the plot has as many holes as a slice of Swiss cheese?

For example?

 

The plot doesn't have any holes.

I love the movie and I can say for sure that was not the problem with the plot.

The problem with the plot was that there was way to much. It was pure over writing. The uncut version fixes this a bit... but just a bit.

Anyway. Great movie in my opinion.

But let me recommend, that if you are going to express your dislike for the film, to convey it in a more mature and less flamatory manner. I realize not everyone will like what everyone else likes. One person's good is another person's something awful. But it is hard to take you seriously when you come off spewing like a mad man not providing more valid reasons.

Ex: semi religious crap is not a valid reason.

 

I don't think there was too much going on. I never felt overkill or that there was too much happening. I thought it worked well.

 

well, the DVD fixed a good bit.

But the theatrical version ran at 1 hour and 40 minutes... and the story itself was epic... in such little time... it felt too cluttered. In my opinion.

 

The plot had several weak points, like at the end when Riddick kills the Lord Marshal and the Necromongers kneel at his feet. Another spot is the race to the hanger, where the guards had a good head start and were traveling down the tunnels across level terrain. Riddick and his allies were running across very rough terrain and they were behind. Yet somehow Riddick gets there just in time for the battle. And somehow I just don?t see Riddick taking on a four man mercenary crew in a ship and then being easily captured by a five man crew on foot, especially after Riddick is made out to be some kind of super warrior. And why doesn?t Riddick kill off the captain of the mercenary group? The names are just ridiculous. Necromongers? The Holy Half-Dead? The religion is ridiculous too. I can see you dismissing the religion as unimportant in a movie where it is not played up. But in this movie they want you to take the religion seriously. It is one of the Necromonger?s driving influences. It is a central part of the movie. And it is just preposterous. Then there is the bad acting.

 

I thought the acting waas quite good.

And as fun as it is too mock Van D, he is perfect for the role. He is a hulking grunt who hardly talks.

It's the role. When he wants to... he can do some terrific stuff... such as Boiler Room, Iron Giant and Multi-Facial.

Amyway. On to your post:

<< The plot had several weak points, like at the end when Riddick kills the Lord Marshal and the Necromongers kneel at his feet. >>

That is not a plot hole and was explained why they did that. Again, it all goes down to the religion they follow. Not a plot hole. If you didn't like that, that is perfectly okay. But not a plot hole and was built up from the start of the story.

<< Another spot is the race to the hanger, where the guards had a good head start and were traveling down the tunnels across level terrain. Riddick and his allies were running across very rough terrain and they were behind. Yet somehow Riddick gets there just in time for the battle. >>

That is not a plot hole, man. I see your reasoning, but that is not a plot hole. Disobeying laws of physics in a film does not make a plot hole. And that is really not anything new in sci-fi, fantasy and action films. Star Wars, Trek, LoTR, etc, etc are all guilty of this.

<< The names are just ridiculous. Necromongers? The Holy Half-Dead? >>

You don't like the names. Okay. That's fine. But is it a big deal in the grand scheme of things? It's something trivial. I can understand your other complaints... but I do feel that is kind of... meh.

<< The religion is ridiculous too. >>

Okay, i can respect your thoughts on this. I however found it quite interesting and felt it was established pretty well. But this all falls down to personal opinion.

Anyway. I'm glad you actually wrote out a real response though

And while a few of the things you say, fall under personal opinion... I did have to step in and address things that aren't plot holes.

 

I happen to like Underverse -_-

Necromonger is a bit... yeah... I will give that. But it's just a name.

Sadly, sequels look slim

Only thing I do wish, is that they would have expanded more on the character, forgot his name, that one who was a Furian and saved Riddick and then took his own life.

 

I hope so too. Cause they didn't make any money and it's a shame too.

Vastly underrated and refreshing sci-fi film.

And let me also add I have a feeling Riddick will become a huge cult classic. Give it 10 or 20 years. Just have a gut feeling.

 

In a deleted scene, Toombs is killed (not by Riddick, though because of him). they cut it out and did the "caged and embarased" ending as a quick cover up to that scene being cut to both improve the pace of the film and, I suspect, to keep the Toombs character around so he can be in the sequels since the Toombs/Riddick rivalry was one of the better character relationships in the film.

Despite his not being killed in the movie, however, you can still see Toombs' corpse outside the main port window to Crematoria's bridge control room.
It's actually a continuity goof, but you don't catch it if you don't know to look for it. Check the DVD and watch the deleted scene of Toomb's death, and then go back and check the scene in the film itself where Riddick and co. start their trek across the planet surface - Toombs' corpse (from the deleted scene) is on the ground behind them.

Frankly, I thought Toombs was cool as hell. I kinda like Johns from 'Pitch Black' a bit more, but that's mainly because Johns' character is really developed in the prequel video game 'Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay' (Cole Hauser plays Johns in the game, too).

 

Yeah, I prefer Johns to Toombs a little more thanks to the game. They just seem to play off each other a little better. Toombs was still pretty cool, though, and I did enjoy the journal thing on the DVD.

 

This thread has been unlocked and upped so it can added to the Index.

 

w00t. I've been meaning to watch this again.

 

I liked bot Pitch Black and The Chronicles of Riddick. I thought the neo-baroque look was an interesting stylistic choice and gave the movie a unique look. I'd like to see what David Twohy would do with Dune. I think he'd make an interesting movie.