Discussion in 'Lucasfilm Ltd. In-Depth Discussion' started by starwarsagent, Aug 20, 2007.
I second that emotion!
I third it. The kid is terrific.
Sorry. I shoot down your motion and substitute it with my own. Shia LePoof was the catalyst for Indy 4 being terrible.
It's funny when you write in "Poof" instead of the actor's real name. Tee hee.
Well sorry you didn't like him, jace, but I completely agree that he was terrific. I too used to watch Even Stevens when I was a kid and I thought he was good. I recall clearly seeing an episode of Leno he was on promoting The Battle of Shaker Heights and my brother and I saying, "you know, this kid is actually genuinely funny and charming". Think he was about 16 at the time.
Anyway, I'm really glad he was in Skull. I thought he was fantastic and I look forward to seeing him in much more (including more Indy )
[hl=darkred]-sj loves kevin spacey[/hl]
Nepotism doesn't always mean your related, it's mostly who you know. He got that gig from Transformers, I don't give a crap if TF came out after he was cast, he got that gig from a producer called Speilberg while working on TF, who is getting so old, loosing so much talent, and is loosing ALOT of outside perspective, c'mon folks, I coulda found 100 different talented actors to play indys son, the difference is, the actors I picked woulda actually looked like the two main characters and physically fit the roll.
Um... if casting an actor who's working on a big movie is nepotism, I guess that means casting almost any known actor is now nepotism?
[hl=darkred]-sj loves kevin spacey[/hl]
The second you say "I don't give a crap," you've moved the conversation to a no-fact-zone.
No actually it always means you're related. It's nothing to do with who you know unless they are a relative.
Merriam Webster says
Nepotism = favoritism (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship
Only if you know the actor personally. And honestly, there is nothing wrong with that if you can remain open minded which Steven obviously can not. Nepotism is good for the film makers because it's a comfort and a good thing to keep hiring people you personally know will get the job done, as oppose to taking any extended chance on an unknown when your already extending 100+ million on an unknown success that is a potential blockbuster in development...
I say I dont give a crap meaning the crap people say about how he got indy without TF having anything to do with it. He was cast in Indy ONLY because he was in TF and as I said before, Speilberg lacks many quality's that made him who he was when he was 25.
I love Shia, ever since Even Stevens, (his best work) but his carrier is already falling, TF,Disturbia, Indy, Eagle Eye, and now TF2.... Sorry, thats WAY too much WAY too fast, people already are starting to dislike him. By the time TF2 is released next year, people will be sick of him, kinda like Decaprio with Titanic, He did grteat rolls, wasnt too well known, did 1 movie that blew him up, and made a bunch of other big movies that actually suffered due to him as the character, like Man in the Iron Maks WTH??? Shia is a falling star, live fast, die young.
Sorry bout the mis spelled name there Strilo... And no, it is mostly who you know, not always related. I work in the industry a lot, and everybody I know wont argue with me on that, regardless of what you read elsewhere.
EDIT: Strilo... you may indeed be very correct on the true meaning of the word Nepotism, I'm just sayin, when it's thrown around in the industry of film, it generally refers to family and friends, regardless of official definition.
Elemental_fantasy: Just for the record, in case you missed it, you're using the word "nepotism" incorrectly. Also, you are too far in the minority on this point to be forecasting the future in terms of what fans will and won't like. It seems like 95% of the members here like Shia, but you're insisting that everyone is sick of him. It seems that you're a tad out of touch with what people actually like. Maybe you should stick to expressing your own opinion, and forget about pretending to know what other people think and feel. Just a thought.
So was it nepotism when Harrison Ford was cast as Indy in Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Shia was great in KotCS. Don't blind yourself just because you hate "hot" actors. If you had never seen him before in your life, you would have liked him in this movie.
Even if nepotism meant "favoritism" irrespective of kinship (which it doesn't), by e_f's reasoning it would have been "nepotism" when Scorcese cast DeNiro in Mean Streets, Raging Bull, Goodfellas and Casino; when Lucas cast Ford in Star Wars and Raiders, when Pollack cast Redford in Three Days of the Condor and Out of Africa, when Woo cast Yun Fat in The Killer and Hard Boiled, when Lynch cast MacLachlan in Dune, Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks, when Woody cast Keaton in Love and Death, Annie Hall, and Manhattan, when Spielberg cast Dreyfuss in Jaws and Close Encounters, etc. etc. etc. etc. There is no crime, nor even error, in a filmmaker enjoying the work of an actor in one film and using him another. This is the way filmmaking works, and artistic collaboration, and business in general. The criticism of it is hopelessly naive and uninformed.
Yes! At least according to the folks in Hollywood. I cant speak for Vorti, but I have been taught by many in the industry and everyone excepts it for hiring family and friends.
Umm, I don't hate hot actors, as long as there cast correctly, I tend to love em. Dude, Shia kicked ASS in Indy 4 and played the character VERY well, he just didn't fit the part. He doesn't look anything like Indy or Mariam... may as well of hired a black guy. Thats my main frustration with that, there was no real search for his casting, He just got picked up, Steven didn't even look for the character in the actor, he found an actor and let the actor develop the character. Which is never good in a situation like this, Aside from that, he did great, but still wasn't the best casting choice to make for the film.
As far as people not liking Shia, I don't insist anything, I was just saying I have noticed that some people are just getting sick of him... on many message boards. I know people still like Shia, but it will wear out quickly imho. Shia was unestablished in mainstream before TF, he has no ground to stand on, he hasn't struggled, he literally got launched into the spotlight overnight, that never really seems to go well for actors, every year for the next two or 3, and for the past year plus, he has been in the biggest blockbuster's. Sure he'll get more work, but people tend to get sick of seeing someone suddenly thrown into there face out of the blue like he was. just saying. Is there a right and wrong, no, it's all just opinions and speculation.
I just look at his roles, there is nothing there for him to really show his talent, It's all hollywood crap, it would be smart if he did some small independent productions for a while.
As well, many people over on Mike Bays board are feeling the same way about his future.
How many BIG actors are around now that just got pushed into the spotlight like he did?
Damn near every big successful actor or actress has struggled and earned it.
Look, he doesn't work well for Indy's son. Thats all I'm tryin to say!
I agree with that, I'm just always a lil bitter when a film maker lacks the energy and creativity to look for new talent, there is so much of it out there. I just sometimes get sick of recycling actors. As well as crew, there are so many talented people out there. Most of the time the characters DON'T fit the part! But there name fits the budget.
Using the word nepotism incorrectly, so does everybody in the industry, deal with it!!! The definition of Nepotism differs from it's slang which is used in the industry on a daily basses. Jesus!
He wasn't established in the mainstream before Transformers? He was on THE DISNEY CHANNEL.
That's about as mainstream America as you can get.
I'm just always a lil bitter when a film maker lacks the energy and creativity to look for new talent, there is so much of it out there. I just sometimes get sick of recycling actors. As well as crew, there are so many talented people out there. Most of the time the characters DON'T fit the part! But there name fits the budget.
I agree with you. Your posts sound bitter.
The reason people hire established, successful, known people is that they're a known quantity and they know what they're doing. A track record of experience and professionalism is what people seek in any endeavor if they can afford it. That's common sense.
On the other hand, Mr. Spielberg has repeatedly shown a willingness and openmindedness throughout his career to new and untested talent. He did that with writer Chris Columbus, he gave Henry Thomas the lead role in E.T., even though he'd only done one other movie, which was small and unsuccessful. He went primarily with Henry's talent.
And Spielberg gave Christian Bale his break at age 12, even though Christian had never starred in a 30 million dollar film before, though I think he had some minor theatre and TV experience. Spielberg went primarily on Christian's talent.
The kid who played Short Round in Temple of Doom had never acted a day in his life before that film. He did great for a beginner. You can't say Spielberg doesn't give newcomers a chance, but he's not gonna put a newcomer in every role. He's one of the world's top directors, he wants the best, hottest actors around. That's why he hired Cate Blanchett, as an example. She's fantastic in everything, and he's gonna want her in a prime role, as opposed to some woman who's doing dinner theatre in Kansas City.
Rather than being so resentful towards Shia, I would constructively suggest you examine why Shia's success is pushing your buttons. Stay positive. Peace.
Shia was great as Mutt in Kingdom, I loved his performance and I hope he's in Indy V as Indy's sidekick, if they make it.
Mainstream meaning theatrical, Mainstream films, sorry bout that....
He also had a BIG gap in between transition from network to film. Like 5 years or so. He only did 2 TV movies, so 80% of adults Didn't know him, and the ones who do say, hey, that transformers kid. - thats not a good thing either.
LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG!
Shia is past the kiddie stuff. Just look at the preview for his latest film which has him taking on a much more serious role. I think the kid's got talent and he'll only get better as time goes on.
Harrison Ford had a small role in Graffiti and was virtually unknown before exploding on the scene in Star Wars in 1977. He became hugely popular as a result, and went on to make numoerous films with a number of directors, while continuing to do work for the man who made him big, George Lucas.
This rise to fame mirrors LeBeouf's. The idea that "people are going to get sick of Shia" when his career is proceeding along the same lines of Ford's, who is adored to this day, is ridiculous.
I love this idea that Shia and other actors have to somehow pay their dues in film before being accepted. It's a farce.
I don't know what they mean by "being accepted". Getting ahead in the business is about many things - luck and a good agent probably help.
Keira Knightley has gone on to a very successful career since her small part as Padme's decoy in Phantom Menace. I don't think that role hurt, but she'd probably have gotten a lucky break sooner or later even if she had not been in a Star Wars movie. And these days, I'm actually starting to wonder if maybe Keira doesn't have a wider range as an actress than Natalie Portman.
I said Steven is past his prime and wasn't what he was when he made the movies you mentioned John. Don't insist anything about me, that pisses me off, Shia, I wish him the best of success, and other then Harrison Ford, 1 out of maybe 250 stars, maybe Shia might stay alive, I sure hope so because I love him much, but casting is casting. You either do it right, or wrong, and Shia does NOT fit into Indy's Son, yes, Indy's side kick, perfect, but not his son!!! As far as pushing buttons, not Shia, hollywood with there garbage, like the prequel trilogy of SW, and all these crap remakes, and yes, bad casting. If you took the time to read a lil more, you woulda read into that one Mike.
EDIT: I am sorry I seem a VERY bitter jerk. I am not really such an ass, just a really bad day for me over here. Overall, I think Shia will not stay atop for long, but doesn't mean I don't want him to and I wish him the best of luck, as long as it doesn't throw me out of the suspension of disbelief, with the Indy 4 character developmental plot point, it did! Thats it. But I still, and will always love the guy. And sorry for pushing my point in a bitter angry way, thats not cool.
So basically what you're saying is that you love Shia, you think he kicked *** in the movie, he's perfect for Indy's sidekick... BUT because he doesn't look like what you think the son of Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood would look like, he shouldn't have been cast in the film. Even though he's good.
Has it occurred to you that holding a casting call for tens of thousands of young actors, in order to find someone who can not only hold their own in a scene with Harrison Ford, do a variety of stunts and look good doing it, AND who looks like an exact blend of the facial features of Ford and Karen Allen would not only be a logistical nightmare but an outright impossibility?
These are actors playing parts. I for one totally buy that Mutt is Indy and Marion's son.
And I did, too. I mean, we all know Sean Connery wasn't really quite old enough to be Indy's dad.
First off, Hollywood had nothing to do with the SW prequels. They were made almost entirely without input from Hollywood. Second of all, the crap remakes and bad casting is something Hollywood has been doing for almost the entirety of its existence. Why should now be any different? There have always been crap remakes, films that never should have been given money, bad casting and so on. But there have also always been great films made in and around these mistakes.