ST Immaculate Conception arc

Hope this wasn't posted, i did a search to see and saw nothing.

We know now that Anakin Skywalker was conceived by the Force, assumed by Darth Plagueis or Darth Sidious. Shmi admits this as well to Qui Gon in EP1 and we here about it's possibility in EP3 by Palpatine. The ability to make life out of Midi Chlorians. What if that arc continues in the new trilogy? I believe that it's possible both Dombnall Gleeson's character and Rey, Daisy Ridley's character are twins and they were also immaculately conceived by The Force either by or for Luke. They are Luke's children, not Leia's and Han's. It would make sense to continue this storyline to give the overall film saga more connection. Maybe even the idea of questioning who's children they really are. Are they Darth Plagueis' or Luke's?Wasn't sure if this was explored yet but I have been thinking about it and wondered what thoughts are out there about this?

 

It is possible that the child born out of the force story is continued in some way. If Plaguies is involved I believe it will be a big part of this trilogy. I do think that Vader and the prophesy will touched upon as well.

 

I think it's a great aspect of the SW story, and would love/hope to see it further explored in the ST I.e. the power of the Skywalker's and their unique connection to the force.

 

Interesting idea. However, I don't think it will happen. The previous two trilogies have found their conflicts centered around men who embraced the parent/child relationship in very tangible ways. Whoever or whatever created Anakin didn't matter nearly as much as Anakin's relationship to Shmi and Obi-Wan, or Luke's relationship to Anakin.

P.S. It's a common, easy to make error, but the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception Mary, the mother of Jesus, without original sin. Mary had two human parents. Conception without a human father - Jesus's conception - is known as the Incarnation.

 

^ Damnit I was going to say just that!

 

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I remember reading this essay before, which discusses Lucas' supposed commentaries on Christianity within Star Wars and Anakin's virgin birth. As for TFA, it depends on whether JJ and Kasdan wish to continue and replicate themes Lucas chose to incorporate into his saga. I would like to see them go down their own path with ideas on the force and give a fresh insight. I'm sure they will too, as why the force has become dormant and why it is now awakening, they are going to need to explore anyway.

 

Sorry about the Immaculate Conception/ Incarnation thing. My bad. I think you get the idea though. Thanks.

 

I agree although i think that if you are actually telling an episodic saga, there should be some re-occuring ideas overall otherwise why give it an episode number? They could have told an entire stand alone series f they wanted to. They are purposefully continuing it for a reason.​

 

They're giving it an episode number because the story of the ST will still revolve around the Skywalker family. Descendants of Anakin can appear on other non-numbered SW films, but the story of the numbered episodes has them as the focus.

 

The episodic STAR WARS films have never been a series of disassociated events. The episodes appear to be part of a whole, which is only partially told or complete. The ST should conclude what was begun in 1977 and continued through 2005, IMO.

To the OP....the Force works in mysterious ways.

 

The who, what and why of Anakin's birth are Prequel era mysteries.

They will not be explored in the ST because they are not relevant to the new stories and heroes. The legacy of Vader is what matters - the consequence of his decisions and actions.

I don't believe that Plagueis or Palpatine had anything to do with Anakin's creation. He was born to destroy them, but Sidious corrupted him. I've always thought that Palpatine's remark about Plagueis "creating life" was simply to make Anakin start to doubt his purpose.

The scene never states that Palpatine is the Apprentice in question and later remarks indicate that he doesn't know the secrets of Plagueis.

Yet, according to the Tarkin novel, Palpatine is indeed said Apprentice and according to Palpatine's take, he does know the secret of influencing the midichlorians.

I heard a very interesting theory recently - in RotS, the creation of Vader is intercut with the death of Padmé - perhaps Palpatine is draining Padmé's life to bring Vader back from the edge of death?

Everyone does it. I think the confusion is so widespread that it became easier to just call it the Immaculate Conception.

 

bbm: I sure like that more than mysteriously withering away from losing 'the will to live' when she had two endangered children to protect.

 

The problem with that theory is there is no real support for it within the film itself outside of the juxtaposed editing of the pain of Padme's labor and Vader's rebirth. It also makes Obi-Wan and Yoda look useless, as they detect nothing thru the Force--Yoda especially, since he was just communing with Qui-Gon, who lives within the Force itself.

As for the virgin birth confusion, just because it's widespread doesn't mean it should just be accepted. I would think Catholics would get annoyed, as Mary's importance via the Immaculate Conception is their thing. People confuse Star Wars and Star Trek all the time. Correct them. It's the only way they'll learn.

 

Not a fan of the virgin birth thing. Thought it was too on the nose. I don't think you'll hear much from TFA about midi-whatevers and by default, not much about Anakin's birth.

 

The idea that Padmé "lost the will to live" is a misunderstanding by people from simply not watching the movie and jumping on a bandwagon.

The medical droid makes it quite clear that they don't why she is dying because she is "completely healthy". What does a machine know of the Force and "will"?

 

So the Force killed her? I am liking this Force less all the time... I like what you put in your post better.

 

Perhaps nothing, although certain droids exhibit willfulness in the Saga after all (unless the ST reveals that R2-D2 has a program instructing him to be awesome and heroic and exhibit all the signs of free will).

But consider who the medical droid is speaking to: Jedi. Two of the most powerful Jedi around (or "left", if that's how you choose to look at it).

They sensed NOTHING, even after being exposed to all the darkness around Palpatine & Vader, even after all Yoda learned (retroactively) in the Lost Missions "Force" arc, even after just communing with a spirit who's hanging around in the Force itself and should've been able to sense such a tremendous manipulation as a life-transfer.

Bandwagon-jumping is what you're doing with the idea that Palp's hooked up a life-transfusion via the Force between Padme & Vader. It would've been simple enough to put some elements in the scenes as clues, or explicit details, that Palpatine is causing it. This kind of 'reaching' is no different than the silly explanations for why Newborn Leia remembers Padme, but Newborn Luke doesn't ("She's talking about Breha!", "The Force did it, but left Luke out!", "Her eyes were open in the movie but Luke's were closed!")

 

Are you forgetting that film is a visual medium? The editing fully could be seen as supporting that theory.

Not only that, but are you forgetting that Yoda & Co. have beenoblivious to the dark side for quite some time. The dark side clouds their vision.

 

The editing was stated by Lucas to juxtapose the birth of the twins with the birth of the Vader we knew, AFAIK.

And Yoda & Obi-Wan should've been a lot less clouded after encountering Sidious & Vader's machinations openly, in addition to Yoda having just gotten off the Force-phone with Qui-Gon. Something as big as Padme's life-force being transferred to Vader by Sidious should've caused a disturbance in the Force. It's something that is never really even hinted as being possible (unless you're spitballing ideas of how someone could use the Force to prevent loved ones from dying--but those ideas aren't really present in the movies).

 

They can't just throw a curve ball like that and have nothing come of it.

 

If they were conceived by the Force, like Anakin, they would only have a mother. If this is so, how could they be Luke's children?

 

It's possible that the force used Luke's midi-chlorians to have someone birth his children. The idea is that the Force has them come about.

 

Then Luke isn't part of the equation at all, unless he's the one manipulating the midichlorians to create life (which is considerably creepier than the Force doing it itself, as with Anakin).

 

The answer to Padme's lose of the will to live can be found in Matthew 19:5.

 

...no. We need less of that nonsense in our Star Wars, not more.