Immolation scene

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by Alpha-Red, Nov 21, 2005.

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  1. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    Obi-Wan tries to help out Anakin, but Anakin lashes out at him?

    This was supposed to be the defining moment of the prequel trilogy...I sorta wanted to see something more dramatic and unexpected like that. Especially since the only other Vader vs. Obi-Wan duel was so emotionless.
  2. rajarshinag Jedi Knight

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    obi wan had gone to mustafar to kill anakin, that is the reason he left the life of a jedi, it was too much for him, he could have just as easily carried on a proxy war on the empire but he didnt, he had lost too much, also the episode 4 duel was much more emotionless coz obi knew what he had done, and he knew he wont win, just hobble around a bit. he also knew he was immortal no matter what vader did (if vader hadnt killed him, he would have lived a few years more and then become a ghost)
  3. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    Obi's job was not to ask questions, it was not to save Anakin, it was not to protect Padme, it was not to even preserve his (Obi's) own happiness. It was to Stop. The. Sith. (Stop tyranny, stop torture, stop atrocities like Alderaan.) He tries to find a way that may not involve fighting even though he has already heard Anakin state his intention to rule an Empire - establish his own tyranny. Obi states his allegiance: To the Republic, to democracy - in turn Anakin issues an ultimatum. Then his job is clear. He tries several times to find a way out but in the end - duty wins out over his personal feelings and he "does what he must."
  4. sithrules70 Jedi Master

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    thats why the jedi suck so much[face_devil] .too much "i'll do what i must" and too little thinking.too much of a zealot and too little of a human being
  5. THEFORCEROCKS Jedi Master

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    It was just so sad that things had gone so wrong between them that he would rather leave Anakin to die in such a heartless way

    Heartless? and you dont think anakin wouldve done the same to kenobi. I mean this is the man that choked his wife in front of Kenobi. I do agree that it was sad that things fell apart though.
  6. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    "Human nature was what we were put on earth to rise above."

    If Obi was more "human" and less "Jedi" he would never have succeeded on Mustafar and at best Anakin would have ruled as a tyrannical despot for a long time, with no chance of redemption - at worst he would have had led Luke and Leia down that dark path with him.
  7. sithrules70 Jedi Master

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    and that is bad because ??....[face_devil][face_devil] [face_devil]


    PS: i just cant beat your philosophical arguments:_|
  8. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    But by the "do what I must" logic he should have just killed Anakin right there and then.
  9. sithrules70 Jedi Master

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    even doing what he must he still has to follow the jedi way.anakin was defenseless and all burned up,a jedi doesnt kill that way
  10. Obi-Chron Force Ghost

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    Disturbing, the devolution of Obi-Wan is!

    He seemingly holds the high ground, both literally and figuratively in ROTS. He upholds the Jedi Code by not killing Anakin and mercifully putting him out of his hellish misery.

    Yet in ROTS the noble Obi-Wan asks Anakin to spy on Palpatine on behalf of the council, to betray his personal trust and compromise his unique position as the Chancellor's chief of security. In ANH, Obi-Wan further twists the truth to "a certain point of view," telling Luke that his father was murdered (by himself), wanted Luke to have his light saber and then deludes Luke by not providing all of the facts about his father's true fate. Yoda, too is guilty of this deception.

    Sad, very very sad this is indeed! The ends justify the means for the once-vaunted Jedi. They are in many ways no better than the Sith. Is this why all of the Jedi and both Sith die by the end of ROTJ, save for Luke -- the 'new hope!' Luke begins the process anew in a very 'Neo-Matrix' kind of way. Tis, it seems, the 'Whill of the Force.'
  11. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    A man who is supected of being under the control of the Sith - the sworn enemies of the Jedi.

    A rationalization that Obi was so deep into, that he believed it past death. He believed "Anakin" was dead for all intents and purposes.

    There is no point in which Obi's behavior exemplifies this philosophy. Ever.
  12. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    Well, Sith, you've got me there. :D

    ?Every failure teaches a man something, to wit, that he will probably fail again.? ? HL Menken. I re-learn that lesson every day. [face_laugh]
  13. DUGGY Jedi Youngling

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    off topic what does Immolation actually mean? . My pc dictionary say's no defination exists.
  14. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    Immolation is destruction by fire, that is, burning something to destroy it. In its usual sense, this "destruction" is a usually the sacrifice of a living being.
  15. DUGGY Jedi Youngling

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  16. Darth_Vasive Jedi Padawan

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    Anyone notice the balance between ROTS and ROTJ?

    Where Anakin was immolated to create Vader at the end of ROTS, Vader was immolated at the end of ROTJ essentially finishing the recreating of Anakin.
  17. darth_frared Jedi Grand Master

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    i believe i don't know has picked up on it.
  18. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    Who has picked up on it?:confused:

    Abbott: No, who's on first, what's on second, i don't know is third base.:p
  19. The_Dark_Knight Jedi Master

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    [face_laugh] I found that statement quite funny.
  20. janstett Force Ghost

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    I fart in your general direction...
  21. darth_frared Jedi Grand Master

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    i cannot honestly remember why i wrote it. [face_blush] but i meant a user named i_dont_know. who, i think, once wrote about the parallel between having the two burnings at the end of each trilogy.
  22. janstett Force Ghost

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    Obi-Wan could have put him out of his misery and ended his life (like he did to the crab monster in the arena in AOTC). The beast had been beaten and he didn't leave it to suffer in pain.

    That's what struck me about the immolation scene. Yes, it had to happen that way for the plot development. But Obi-wan could have easily sliced Anakin to shreds with a blow to the torso or head when he jumped. Instead he somehow manages to cut off 3 limbs. Even then he is trying to stop him without killing him. But at some point he gives up and leaves him for dead -- without the compassion of ending his misery.
  23. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    See, I had always imagined that Obi-Wan would not have the choice to save or finish off Anakin. I figured that Palpatine would arrive at the scene much sooner, forcing Obi-Wan to flee before making that final choice. As it turned out, Obi-Wan seemed to leave him for dead, yet in some way leaving his final demise to the will of the Force. Unlike Anakin beheading Dooku, he chose not to kill a helpless opponent.
  24. Jedi_Momma Jedi Master

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    I would imagine Jedi have different rules for sentient versus non-sentient beings. As most of us do. So the crab monster and AnaVader are two totally different situations.
  25. darthvader88 Jedi Master

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    what if you were in Obi-Wan's Place? would you kill Anakin?
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