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Lit In a Mirror, Mousely - The Disney Universe Timeline

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Havoc123, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    Why even have a split if it's so far in the past that they might as well be separate?
     
  2. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    A multiverse is more interesting if the universes relate to eachother (Having split off from a main timeline)
    I could have The Star Wars in my personal multiverse, but I don't because it's chronologically unrelated to the bunch.
     
  3. Xander Vos

    Xander Vos Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think that's his joke. :p
     
  4. Force Smuggler

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    http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100

    1. OOT
    2. OT SE
    3. OT DVD
    4. OT Blu-Ray
    5. OT-PT Theatrical editions
    6. OT-PT Blu-Rays
    7. TPM-E9 Blu-Rays
    8. OT SE-PT Theatrical
    9. OT PT DVD
    10. Lucas 9 part Saga EPISODE 1: Was to focus on the origins of the Jedi Knights and how they are initiated and trained
    EPISODE 2: Introduction and development of Obi-Wan Kenobi

    EPISODE 3: Introduction and life of Vader

    EPISODE 4: There were seven different drafts of the film. At one point, they pursued buying the rights to Hidden Fortress because of the strong similarities. At one point, Luke was a female, Han was Luke's brother, Luke's father was the one in prison (interesting point for some debates) and the film featured 40 wookies

    EPISODE 5: Once written, the screenplay of Empire is almost exactly what is seen on screen. The only cut scenes were those involving wampas in the rebel base (cut because of time and unsolved technical glitches) and about two minutes of Luke/Yoda Jedi training with no real dialog.

    EPISODE 6: Leia was to be elected "Queen of her people" leaving her isolated. Han was to die. Luke confronted Vader and went on with his life alone. Leia was not to be Luke's sister.

    EPISODE 7: Third trilogy was to focus on Luke's life as a Jedi, with very few details planned out.

    EPISODE 8: Luke's sister (not Leia) appears from another part of the galaxy.

    EPISODE 9: First appearance of the Emperor.

    3 Anthology films

    1. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2. TPM-ROTJ Theatrical Not including DNT-Crucible
    2. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 PT theatrical-OT SE Not including DNT-Crucible
    3. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ DVD Not including DNT-Crucible
    4. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ Blu-Ray with TCW Not including DNT-Crucible
    5. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ Blu-Ray without TCW Not including DNT-Crucible
    6. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 Including DNT-Crucible TPM-ROTJ Theatrical
    7. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 PT theatrical-OT SE Including DNT-Crucible
    8. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ DVD including DNT-Crucible
    9. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ Blu-Ray with TCW Not including DNT-Crucible
    10. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ Blu-Ray with TCW Not including DNT-Crucible
    11. EU DOTJ-Legacy Vol. 2 TPM-ROTJ Blu-Ray without TCW Not including DNT-Crucible
    12. TPM- ROTJ Novelizations
    13. Junior Film novelizations TPM-TFA Patrcia C. Wrede PT, Ryder Wyndham OT, Michael Kogge ST,
    14. Junior Film novelizations TPM-TFA, plus anthology films
    15. OT Marvel 1977-1983 comics
    16. OT Dark Horse SE 1997 comics
    17. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Marvel 1977-1983 comics
    18. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Dark Horse SE 1997 comics
    19. EU comic adaptations TTT, TPM-ROTJ, TF1, TF2 etc.
    20. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Marvel 1977-1983 comics, TFA-E9
    21. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Dark Horse SE 1997 comics, TFA-E9
    22. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Marvel 1977-1983 comics, TFA-E9
    23. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Dark Horse SE 1997 comics, TFA-E9, R1
    24. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Marvel 2010’s reprint, TFA-E9,
    25. PT Dark Horse comics-OT Marvel 2010’s reprint, TFA-E9, Anthology comics
    26. OT Radio Adaptations
    27. Radio Adaptations OT, DE trilogy, Crimson Empire trilogy, TOTJ
    28. NEU
    29. TPM-E9 Novelizations
    30. NEU Movies/Anthologies Novelizations
    31. OOT/Marvel comics,
    32. OOT/Bantam era books, Dark Horse comics
    33. OOT/Bantam era books, Dark Horse comics with different Clone Wars
    34. ANH Infinities
    35. ESB Infinities
    36. ROTJ Infinities
    37. KOTOR Light Female
    38. KOTOR Dark Male
    39. KOTOR Dark Female
    40. KOTOR II Light Male
    41. KOTOR II Dark Male
    42. KOTOR II Dark Female
    43. Tag and Bink comics
    44. Dark Force 2 Jedi Knight Dark ending
    45. Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy Dark Side Ending
    46. ROTS Game Anakin wins
    47. TFU Dark side ending-Ultimate Sith Edition-Battle of Endor DLC
    48. TFU 2 Dark Side Ending
    49. Journal of the Whills Pt 1 1973
    50. Journal of the Whills Pt 2
    51. The Star Wars Story Synopsis May 1973
    52. The Star Wars Rough Draft May 1974
    53. The Star Wars First Draft July 1974
    54. Adventures of the Starkiller as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars 1975
    55. The Star Wars: The Adventures of Luke Starkiller
    56. E5 Leigh Brackett’s Draft Feb 23, 1978
    57. E5 Lucas Draft 1 March 1978
    58. Revenge of the Jedi Draft 1 Feb 20, 1981
    59. Revenge of the Jedi Draft 2 Sept 21, 1981
    60. E1 The Beginning Draft 1 Nov 1, 1994
    61. E1 The Beginning Draft 2 Summer 1995
    62. E2 Draft
    63. E3 Draft
    64. E7 Michael Ardnt’s draft
    65. George Lucas 2012 ST draft
    66. Lego games
    67. William Shakespeare books
    68. The Epic Continues
    69. Alternate Invincible ending where Anakin Solo lives
    70. An Apology by Timothy Zahn
    71. Gree War (Abeloth Not Freed 1)
    72. Abeloth Not Freed 2 Mnggal Mnggal (?)
    73. Abeloth Not Freed 3 Rakata War (?)
    74. Dark Man on Throne of Balance (Abeloth Not Freed 4)
    75. Waru’s Universe
    76. Rozzum Universe.
    77. Star Wars Dark Horse Sith Invasion story
    78. A New Hope Choose Your Own Star Wars Adventure Try to escape the Sand People but get killed by them
    79. Go back to the Lars' destroyed farm with Luke. You are devastated and go back to your own home
    80. Try to say good-bye to your family before joining the Rebel Alliance. Go back home and don't continue the adventure.
    81. Try to say good-bye to your family before joining the Rebel AllianceGet captured by the Empire.
    82. Refuse to exploit Leia and get sent to Kessel.
    83. Get Leia to tell you where the Rebel base is.
    84. Betray the Empire and help Leia escape. Alderaan is spared and the Death Star is destroyed.
    85. Betray Leia and get attacked by the Rebels as you approach Yavin 4.
    86. Use Leia to force the Alliance to surrender. You are made an Imperial captain, the Rebel base is destroyed, and your friends are executed.
    87. Help Leia escape and the Death Star is destroyed. Leia doesn't reveal your betrayal and you try to make up for it. Ben Kenobi starts a Jedi training program which you, Luke, and Leia enroll in.
    88. Play the scenario by ear. Help Leia escape and get shot while protecting Luke, or stay out of the way and Luke dies instead while you die by the Death Star's explosion.
    89. Escape the Death Star without Leia, but with the Death Star plans.
    90. Get crushed by the trash compactor.
    91. Salvage the rescue attempt of Princess Leia by showing Han Solo how to deal with the Imperials. Ben escapes with all of you, the Death Star is destroyed, and Ben starts a new Jedi training program
    92. Join the Rebel Alliance and assist in the destruction of the Death Star. Refuse Luke's order to retreat and help defend him while he destroys the Death Star. Vader attacks you but Han and Luke destroy him.
    93. Obey Luke's order and retreat. Han and Chewie return and help Luke.
    94. Join Han Solo and Chewbacca. Don’t participate in the Death Star run; Luke is killed and the Empire builds three Death Stars.
    95. Convince Han to turn around and help Luke destroy the Death Star.
    96. The Empire Strikes Back Choose Your Own Adventure. Leave Luke to die by the wampa and try to get back to Echo Base, but freeze to death.
    97. Don't go with Han's plan to cut open the tauntaun and try to walk back while everyone dies.
    98. Join Han and the others, meet Lando, get captured by the Empire, and escape. Try to fight Darth Vader and get sent to Kessel.
    99. Han is encased in carbonite and taken by Boba Fett. Rescue Luke and plan Han's rescue.
    100. Try to escape the space worm in the Millennium Falcon without everyone and get destroyed by an asteroid.
    101. Join Luke in the Battle of Hoth, and then travel to Dagobah and train with Yoda to become a Jedi.Run away from Yoda and get left behind by Luke. Yoda finds you and trains you to become a Jedi.
    102. Join Luke in the Battle of Hoth, and then travel to Dagobah and train with Yoda to become a Jedi. Don't enter the dark side cave and return to the Rebel Alliance to become Rogue Leader.
    103. Team up with Luke on Bespin and defeat Darth Vader. Luke kills Vader and you plan Han's rescue.
    104. Or go rescue your friends and foil Boba Fett's plan and save Han Solo from falling into the clutches of Jabba the Hutt. (non-canon)
    105. Get captured by Darth Vader on Hoth and venture on the dark side of the Force and be left with the choice to betray your friends or not. Refuse Vader's offer and get sent to Kessel.
    106. At Cloud City, help Lando rescue Han and the others; they escape but you are captured by Vader and imprisoned.
    107. Rejoin the Rebels, spending the foreseeable future attempting to resist the pull from the dark side.
    108. Hand your friends over to the Imperials and become a general of the Empire.
    109. Return of the Jedi Choose Your Own Adventure Betray your friends to Jabba, who are imprisoned. You are released, but subsequently shunned by the Rebellion.
    110. Surrender to Jabba, refuse to give any information, and everyone gets fed to the rancor.
    111. Follow Luke into the rancor pit and release the monster on the palace while you escape. Kill Jabba and you and Lando become slaves.
    112. Follow Luke into the rancor pit and release the monster on the palace while you escape. Refuse to help Boba Fett recapture Han. You and Lando become slaves.
    113. Follow Luke into the rancor pit and release the monster on the palace while you escape. Pretend to help Boba Fett recapture Han and turn on the bounty hunter who'll be imprisoned by the Rebellion for life.
    114. Try to help Lando escape the sarlacc but get eaten by it.
    115. Join Lando Calrissian on the Millennium Falcon to fight and destroy the second Death Star
    116. Join Luke and Leia on the speeder bike chase and get captured by the Ewoks.
    117. Stay on the light side, while Luke falls to the Dark side
    118. Fall to the dark side while Luke stays on the light, Anakin Skywalker is redeemed and so are you.
    119. LOTF: Betrayal Jacen kills Luke.
    120. OT Young Adult versions Sept 22, 2015.
    121. From A Certain Point of View.
    122. Origami Yoda series.
    123. Skippy the Jedi Droid
    124. Ghost
    125. Battlefront 2 (2005) Campaign Mode Journal of the 501st
    126. Battlefront 2 (2005) Republic Sovereignty
    127. Battlefront 2 (2005) The Confederate Uprising
    128. Battlefront 2 (2005) Dark Reign of the Empire
    129. Battlefront (2004) Rebels Birth of the Rebellion Galactic Conquest
    130. Battlefront (2004) Empire Dark Side Rising GC
    131. Battlefront (2004) Republic Attack of the Clones
    132. Battlefront (2004) CIS Revenge of the Sith
    133. Battlefront (2004) The Galactic Civil War Empire
    134. Battlefront (2004) The Galactic Civil War Rebellion
    135. Battlefront (2004) A Galaxy Divided Empire
    136. Battlefront (2004) A Galaxy Divided Rebellion
    137. Battlefront (2004) The Clone Wars Republic
    138. Battlefront (2004) The Clone Wars CIS
    139. Battlefront (2004) Balance of the Force CIS
    140. Battlefront (2004) Balance of the Force Republic
    141. SW Rebel Assault Male
    142. SW Rebel Assault Female
    143. SW Rebellion video game Rebel Alliance defeated
    144. Visions of the Blade/ Soul Caliber series
    145. Darth Vader and Son series
    146. Jedi Academy kids series
    147. Angry Birds series
    148. Tiny Death Star
    149. Star Wars Transformers toy line/Star Wars Transformers Crossovers toy line- These series of toys are based on the famed Hasbro line of transforming robots. In this variation started in 2006, Star Wars vehicles transform into robots based on characters from the saga. Though there is little in the way of a storyline that goes with these toys, the fact that Star Wars characters can morph into transforming robots doesn't really make a whole lot of sense in the main continuity. In 2015, Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac was released and this universe was given a name in the Transformers franchise's "universal stream" system, Lukas 577.25 Beta. The name comes from George Lucas' name and the release date of the first Star Wars film. For more on universal streams, see this page at the Transformers Wiki: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Lukas_577.25_Beta
    150. Attacktix toy line- This toy line is actually a game where stylized action figures armed with spring-loaded weapons and features fight each other. The game included a variety of licensed characters, including Star Wars and The Transformers. A 2006 release combined both properties in a Star Wars vs. Transformers boxed set labeled an "Intergalactic Showdown." The Transformers Facebook column "Ask Vector Prime" later referred to the universe where Darth Vader fought Optimus Prime as Iocus 606.0 Beta in the above-mentioned "universal stream" system. Find out more on the Transformers Wiki: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Iocus_606.0_Beta
    151. Star Wars Detours
    152. Robot Chicken tv series trilogy
    153. Laugh it up Fuzzball: The Family Guy trilogy
    154. Into the Great Unknown
    155. Ani: A Parody. Starkid
    156. Storyteller
    157. The Muppet Show: The Stars of SW.
    158. Loo Re Anno’s species universe
    159. TCW: Decide Your Destiny: The Way of the Jedi
    160. TCW: Decide Your Destiny: Tethan Battle Adventure
    161. TCW: Decide Your Destiny: The Lost Legion
    162. TCW: Decide Your Destiny: Crisis on Coruscant
    163. TCW: Decide Your Destiny: Dooku’s Secret Army
     
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  5. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    DP
     
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  6. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Okay then why not have the canon and legends timelines be in different universes split by the timing of the Big Bang. Canon is 14.5 Billion BBY and Legends is I dunno 13.5 Billion BBY. The universe formed differently at different times in the multiverse? There we have a split and multiverse at the same time.
     
  7. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    But why.

    What does that accomplish.
     
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  8. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Absolutely nothing to be candid. There are two different timelines and that's pretty clear. It's just academic wrangling and academic wrangling and arguing over minutiae can be fun in its own right.
     
  9. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I actually had a very interesting idea related to this thread.

    The premises we've all thrown around here is that the canon universe diverged from the Legends universe. But what if it's the other way around? The Legends universe diverged from canon?

    We know now Luke went to the First Jedi Temple in canon with a strong desire to end the Jedi. What if in his grief, before he completely cut himself off from the Force, he meditated in the First Jedi Temple and tried to use the Force to alter time? To "flow walk" back a thousand generations and, not just end the Jedi, prevent it from having ever been formed?

    Luke focused on the Prime Jedi and tried to use the Force to go back in time and give a mental push so that the Prime Jedi won't ever form the Jedi. Exhausted and thinking he failed in the attempt, Luke cut himself off completely from the Force.

    Except he didn't fail. He just created a divergent timeline but was unable to alter his own.

    The Prime Jedi of a thousand generations ago heard future Luke's pleas in a vision and decided not to form the Jedi! This sparked a divergent universe in which the Jedi are not ever formed on Ahch-to. However, the will of the Force demanded the Jedi still exist--the Tho Yor were created by the Force in reaction to canon Luke's time travel meddling and formed the Legends Jedi on Tython.

    The entire Legends universe is a result of canon Luke's attempt to prevent the Jedi from ever existing!
     
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  10. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    They should do an anthology movie where there's a big twist that reveals it's not the ST universe, but ultimately it involves Legacy era Luke Skywalker getting sucked back in time and he kills Chris Hemsworth and that's the divergence point.

    Maybe Chris Hemsworth is Revan or something iunno

    @Ulicus
     
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  11. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The only person Chris Hemsworth should have been in SW was Anakin.
     
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  12. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    @sidv88 That is an interesting idea.
     
  13. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    It looks like he was a TV actor until 2009 with his timeline divergence role.
     
  14. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    For me NuCanon splits from the EU b/c the EU already has dozens of divergent timelines. If the EU itself is divergent than all the EU's alternate universes are alternate universes of an alternate universe. Better to have NuCanon be another branch of the of the obvious main branch.
     
  15. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    HOLD ME IN YOUR ARMS / DON'T LET ME GO / I WANNA STAY FOREVER / CLOSER EACH DAY / HOME AND AWAAAAYYYYYY

    Always more of a Neighbours chap myself, mind.
     
  16. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    I figure the Force might 'force' through its plan for the Skywalker birth to still happen as it did even if there are huge notable differences in the Clone Wars that I mentioned. Going by the 'there's a universe for everything' theory, there might be a timeline out there that has Napoleon winning the Napoleonic Wars but STILL has us talking about Star Wars on this board, just with a few differences here and there.

    Of course, this is all speculation. Might go out the window if Disney gives a different origin to the Sith, for example.
     
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  17. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    I've said it before, but I think the Force has different plans in the different universes. There's universes where the Skywalkers fail quite clearly. I believe in all the universes the unique incarnations of the Force have the common goal of good triumphing. However it triumphs in different ways. Anakin, Luke and Leia all die in the TFU 2 Dark Side ending. Someone else will have to save the day. Good will win, but the destinies are all different.
     
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  18. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    So catching up on Doc Aphra, apparently Rur off of the Order of the Terrible Glare is around. Thing is, he's not leading the Terrible Glare in the New Canon. He's leading something entirely different, with very different ideals and goals - the Ordu Aspectu. This means that the events of the Pius Dea Crusades either never happened, or happened very differently. This could very well, in a way, explain why the Republic seems to be a lot less militaristic and 'Imperial' in the New Canon.
     
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I'm pretty sure "Ordo Aspectu" is Space Latin for "Order of the Terrible Glare".

    To describe something as "of fearsome aspect" can be referring to their frightening look, in more than one sense.
     
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  20. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Note that Canon!Rur was human, while Legends!Rur was an alien (a Sunesi, going by Cult Encounters).
     
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  21. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    [face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh][face_laugh]

    Thank you for this.
     
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  22. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, but the Pius Dea were humanocentric. So they’d likely rewrite their own history of Rur‘s species than acknowledge it.

    #OneCanon.


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  23. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. Could you elaborate?
     
  24. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    The Pius Dea remnants attached themselves to Rur in CE - so I cannot see them willingly acknowledging Rur as an alien if they could rewrite it. Thus the hologram Rur, in Canon, adopts that mentality and portrays Rur as human.


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  25. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Sure, you could say that, but the flashback in the Dr Aphra comic (note: they're flashbacks, not images that could've been tampered with) show him as a human. And there's also the body, of course.
     
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