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"in my experience there's no such thing as luck"

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Theory55, May 3, 2004.

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  1. Theory55

    Theory55 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    this occured to me just now.. when obiwan said "in my experience there's no such thing as luck" in ANH, was he referring to the then thought of luck of finding a brand new army for the republic in AOTC? Then later he might have found it it was all a trap, so he wasn't lucky at all?
     
  2. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    There's no luck because everything happens by will of the force. Qui-Gon said that in The Phantom Menace.

    Something along these lines:

    "Finding him was no accident. It was the will of the force."

    I know the quotes may not be successive, but they give the same meaning. There are no accidents there is the force, there is no luck, it is the will of the force.
     
  3. Theory55

    Theory55 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    yes, but the way he phrases it.. "in my experience..." just reminds me of him seeing first hand the creation of the clones..
     
  4. Alomanuma_Topha

    Alomanuma_Topha Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Does this mean that Han used the force to kill Boba Fett??? cool!!!
     
  5. Alixen

    Alixen Jedi Master star 4

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    No but the force willed it (though Boba didnt die- at least according to EU) and to none-jedi it would seem like luck

    Its how you perceive things and which side you are on :)
     
  6. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    Exactly.

    And, another PT thing, qui-gon says that without midichlorians life wouldn't exist.

    I don't remember the website, but it had a breakdown of the midichlorian (force potential i think it was called) in each major Star Wars character. Han Solo displayed a considerable high count, but he cant weild it, and channel it like a jedi. He attributes his longevity to luck, which is basically him using the power granted to him by his midichlorian count
     
  7. Alomanuma_Topha

    Alomanuma_Topha Jedi Youngling star 2

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    So, if make a website that says "Han used the force to kill Boba Fett", does that mean Han used the force to kill Boba Fett??? Cool!!! If so, I'm gong to make that webpage. Does anyone know HTML?
     
  8. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    He didn't use the force.

    It's a tough thing to explain.

    He has the midichlorians enhancing his ability subconsciouly, because he cant directly control it.
     
  9. Theory55

    Theory55 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    err i think his point was that the midichlorian website you referred to is not canon.

    and this is getting off topic
     
  10. appleseed

    appleseed Force Ghost star 5

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    The most obvious example as the will of the force looking like luck was Anakin's destruction of the Nemoidian Droid Control Ship in TPM. It's pretty clear that scene was written in that manner with the "no such thing as luck" line in mind.

    Just another example of how the prequels are often written to match the OT, and to justify lines from it.
     
  11. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't remember the website, but it had a breakdown of the midichlorian (force potential i think it was called) in each major Star Wars character.

    That thing is a pure Supershadow creation, i.e. an utter load of pure, unadulterated BS. I don't mean to divert the thread off-topic, so I'm just clarifying.
     
  12. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    I know it wasn't created by Supershadow.

    It was entirely EU, and the breakdown was made pretty well, and gave a detailed explanation of how each person reacted to their level. I found it helpful, though probably doctored by someone who isn't in anyway canon, in understanding better the nature of the force and the midichlorians.
     
  13. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    OK, I guess we're talking about different ones. The only one I've heard of is that one with just a list of names and numbers, and it has Anakin at 21,000 and some references to SS's delusions about "Darth Imperius" and "Kaja Sinis", but I guess that's a different one. Still, AFAIK, there's no official midichlorian counts, just fan-made ones. Sorry for derailing this thing.

    On topic, I don't think Obi-Wan's statement should be taken completely literally; after all, if you're gambling and win, it's a stretch to say that was the will of the Force. It more refers to instances like Luke's shot at the Death Star and Anakin's destruction of the TF ship - those may have seemed like "lucky shots", but they were really the Force at work.
     
  14. appleseed

    appleseed Force Ghost star 5

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    Exactly.
     
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