Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Mzukiller, Nov 12, 2013.
And did so efficiently enough that the Imperials arrived on Bespin before Han did.
yep, he was standing there, but it was Vader and the Imperial Stormtroopers that captured Solo. They imprisoned him. Vader froze him in carbonite. Only then did Fett take possession of Solo.
So no, Fett did not capture Solo, the Empire did.
It made sense though. It's really hard for me to even be able to tell the difference.
The Empire payed Fett to track Solo, Leia, and Chewie. He succeeded.
Jabba payed Fett to capture and deliver Solo. Again he succeeded.
You don't get payed two bounties for failing. Fett collected two bounties because he's just that good. You feel free to continue denying it. But Fett delivered Solo, and ate a delicious diner on Cloud City before doing it. Like a boss.
Can we go back to just saying "yes" or "no"?
I was a huge fan of Boba during the build up to and during ESB. He was mysterious and looked really cool. But I felt frustrated that you never really saw him do much. I especially wanted to see him work some of the mysterious doo-dads on his outfit... Then came Jedi. I lost interest in him after that movie. His Mr Magoo death scene really destroyed his whole image.
Obviously there are many fans that claim his real awesomeness comes from the EU, but I was so done with him after ROTJ, that I never could even bother with his EU stories.
No. Like the OP said he just stands there basically, especially in V. And I cannot stand his re-edited voice. His original one was far better.
He had to balance out the cool . If the rebels had Lando. The Empire had to have someone as flashy. In a structure where everyone is uniformed. A patchwork starship trooper with a bad rep from Darth Vader Makes for instant cool.
So yes he deserves it all.
So here's a break down:
Tracked Solo - Fett
Captured Solo - Empire
Delivered Solo - Fett
But what you're basically saying, is, Fett managed to track and deliver a person. Most bounty hunters can do that, hunting being their profession. But its even easier when they don't have to deal with capturing.
Basically, he tracked a person (any competent bounty hunter can) and then delivered their frozen body. Most bounty hunters can do that.
If Greedo could track Han with little to no effort, then why should it be a difficult job? Sure, to succeed at something is good, but really, how much magnitude is there to a person tracking and ferrying a frozen body? Not much. Even if he did succeed at both jobs, I don't see them as really making him that worthy of fan appreciation.
You can't say just Empire for capturing Solo, because Fett was there the whole time! Not a single scene in which he was captured happened without Fett being there. He even stood outside the door while Vader tortured Solo.
So if you really insist on splitting hairs it's:
Tracked Solo - Fett
Captured Solo - Empire/Fett
Delivered Solo - Fett
Lets not forget 5 other Bounty Hunters were also commissioned by the Empire to track Solo (and who knows how many by Jabba as well), and all others failed. So to say any competent Bounty Hunter can, is really just not true.
Also, Han Solo was not any ordinary prey, was he? He was one of the best pilots and smugglers in the Galaxy. He was a true pro at evasion.
Greedo did track Solo, and Greedo died. Not sure why you would keep bringing up that failure. All it shows is just how adept Solo was at evading capture.
I don't actually think Boba gets all that much love these days. There's at least as much anti sentiment on these boards as pro. In TESB he was a bit mysterious. He made you wonder what he was all about. Much like Vader in the early days. Human? Droid? A mixture? In ROTJ his stock starts to fall and in the PT it goes through the floor. He's now well and truly lost his mystery and his cool.
So because he's there, it means he's helping? No. He just stood around and waited for the job to get done. He did not fire a single laser at Han. Greedo tracked Solo. If he had a garrison of stormtroopers with him, not to mention Darth Vader, he would have succeeded. Boba had that help.
Also, you do know Dengar also tracked Han to Bespin (albeit he was a bit late), as well as IG-88?
As for standing outside the door, thats not really helping either.
Providing moral support was a very rare act in that day and age. He didn't need to fire a single blast when he had the Empire doing it for him. His employer. Imagine a job where you're so good, you get to stand around while your supervisor bags the meat for you. Pretty nice job, eh? So yeah, you could say the Empire was the one that captured Solo, but in the end of the day, who's the one getting paid to stand around?
Well said. I agree.
If all he did was track a target, which three other bounty hunters also accomplished, than how is he that good?
Also, your point is invalid considering Solo was just as much a threat to the Empire as he was a benefit to Fett. They didn't really care who took the frozen Solo back (you don't hire six bounty hunters when you care who bags the meat) so long as he was out of the fight. They would have done the same for any of the other hunters.
Despite the way that Boba did get killed (as you say, knocked off a boat by a blind guy) I am still a big fan of his.
I think that he is just awesome and his helmet was an incredibly cool design.
Jango was the real badass. Boba was just a punk.
Actually Boba did fire shots while taking Solo to Slave One. Forgot that?
That said, during the actual capture, no one fired a shot except Han Solo. No Stormtrooper fired a shot. Yet you are saying them Empire captured Solo. And being none of them fired shots during the capture and you are still crediting them for the capture. I'd say Boba standing there doing exactly the same thing as the Stormtroopers puts him right in there as part of the capture. And that's by your standard. Lol...
And yes, I've read Tales of the Bounty Hunters. And guess what? Boba Fett still made the capture, and got paid. Not any of the others. All you have done by bringing the EU into it is reinforce Boba being the superior bounty hunter.
I'm not arguing he didn't get paid for it. Also, I said he did not fire a laser at Han. The Empire did capture Solo. The Empire caught him with Darth Vader. The Empire cuffed him. The Empire escorted him to the carbonite freezing chamber. They even escorted him after the freezing! What did Boba do to capture him, exactly? And plus, do you really think Boba would have caught them alone? I don't. If a blind Han could get him into the sarlacc.
You said Boba did nothing but stand there. So did the Stormtroopers. You keep saying the Empire caught him. But Boba was there with the Empire, and did exactly the same thing as every one there. He was there when they was there when he was cuffed. He was there for the torture. He was there to escort and watch the carbon freezing. He was there to deliver Solo to Slave One, and fired shots to keep his prey. He also piloted Slave One with Solo in the cargo bay out of Cloud City while being fired upon by Han's friends. Therefore the was part of the capture.
Every standard you set for what, "capture," means further strengthens that Boba captured Solo.
And since you already brought the EU into it, you also know he captures him a few other times over the course of their lives.
If Han Solo is one of the the greatest pilots, greatest smugglers, greatest Generals, and also one of the most wanted men in the Galaxy. What exactly does it make the bounty hunter who tracks and captures him multiple times?
Well now, it makes him one of the best Bounty Hunters in the Galaxy huh? LOL...
And p.s. Han didn't even know what happened at the Sarlac, he bumped into him. You want to make it seem like mano a mano with a blind man. Nice try, but serious lack of logic. Derp.
Although he got defeated by a blind guy, he had awesome armor (specifically the helmet) and a kick-ass voice. The EU makes him even more awesome.
No character deserves love. Not in Star Wars, and not in any other story. No "good" character is entitled to the love of the fandom, and no "bad" or "minor" character is undeserving of fan love by way of some unwritten code of worth. The bottom line is people like what they like for whatever reason it is that they like it. Whether that appreciation is earned from physical appearance, dialogue, a single action, or a lifetime of history, it's all equally valid. And in Star Wars, everyone has a story, whether its told in film, television, literature, or games, so there's almost inevitably something to be a fan of.
What Boba Fett deserves is the ability to attract whatever fanbase he naturally develops through his plethora of appearances in the franchise, without the unfair criticism that his minor role in the films somehow makes him unworthy of love from the fans who find him appealing. That's all any character ever deserves from the fandom.
Not really. He doesn't say much so he's basically a blank slate for people to put onto him whatever they want. Sort of the same thing with Darth Maul I suppose.