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ST Incom T-70: X-Wings in the ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Dak Oolron, Jun 4, 2014.

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How visible should the X-Wing be in the ST? (Multiple votes are allowed.)

  1. I want the X-Wing to appear in the ST just as it was in the OT

    61 vote(s)
    24.3%
  2. I want to see a spiritual successor to the OT X-Wing

    190 vote(s)
    75.7%
  3. I want to see completely new starfighter(s)

    81 vote(s)
    32.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Mars457

    Mars457 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Feb 3, 2013
    They actually get decommissioned cast offs that are "misplaced". I really want to see the top of the line T-85s.

    Actually I really want to see an E-Wing. Talk about a F-22.
     
  2. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Jun 10, 2014
    I would've atleast liked to have seen new Tie Bombers.
     
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  3. Episode Swag

    Episode Swag Jedi Knight star 1

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    Actually these models have been used since ROtS. It's just been an evolving design since then.
     
  4. JDN21

    JDN21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The use of X wings and TIEs in TFA is perfectly logical for me. Both craft are effective platforms, so have rightly been iterated upon. It reflects real life in that airframes last decades at least. Once you have an optimised platform, it can only be improved upon in steps. Revolutionary designs would be the result of new technologies (I.e. - jet engine).

    Also, if you want to be super realistic, the Galaxy will be broke by the start of TFA. The Empire put huge expense and resources in to 2 Death Stars, both of which were destroyed. Not to mention the 20-odd years of regressive Empire, the destruction of a huge amount of the imperial fleet and the vaporisation of a rich, core planet (Alderaan). In reality, the Galaxy should be in a major recession, so iterations of proven fighters is a perfectly logical way to go.
     
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  5. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Dec 8, 2015
    According to Rebels the standard TIE fighter was already in use prior to ANH and according to TFA it still is.

    I just don't understand why TFA didn't use the basic TIE Interceptor design, introduced as the latest TIE variant in ROJ to convey the feel of a credible evolution.

    I'll repeat what I said in the other message board if you don't mind. Between the ARC 170, the T-65 and the T-70 there is an evolution in regard to the S-foils (separation foils, space foils, solar foils or a combination of these three).

    Assuming their main purpose is to radiate waste heat from the fusion reactor/s, the heat radiating surface to do so shrinks with each generation, suggesting a credible technological progress, IMHO.
     
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  6. Jabberwock2137

    Jabberwock2137 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Mar 16, 2013
    Just a thought but .....could it be that Disney 's done a job on our beloved Yavin interceptor because the nose looks a tad phallic and the sleeker new design just smoothes out the tip....Disneyfied!!!
    Anyway back in the real world .... I can understand the paring down of the new X-wing...!970-80's compat aircraft were huge behemoths which then developed into the lighter dogfighters like the F-16..... less of a Star-destroyed-buster, more of a air to air fighter...
    Have to say though that the weight and balance of the original knocks the socks off the new runabout!!
    I'd have gone for something moe akin to these....[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  7. Jabberwock2137

    Jabberwock2137 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Mar 16, 2013
    erm....these...[​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    sorry!
    Call me finickety but I was rather disappointed with the unblievable flight paths of the new jobs (like recent models of the colonial vipers) 90 degree turns may be possible with anti grav etc but what was needed was fast, seat of the pants, realistic curves ansd swoops.
     
  8. Strongbow

    Strongbow Force Ghost star 5

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    Nov 6, 2014
    Loved the new T-70's. I thought they were an ideal updating of the classic design. New, but familiar. I would like to have seen another fighter type as well. The TIEs were cool (who doesn't like TIEs? ) but I found myself wishing they were interceptors. Not a big deal. I expect we will see some evolution in 8 and 9.
     
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  9. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Jan 23, 2003
    Star Wars without X-wings is like Star Wars without lightsabres and stormtroopers. That's why I have no complaints about the T-70s, always loved them.

    Funny how there's never any complaints about how the GFFA use weapons that are asthetically and functionally the same over the course of thousands of years.
     
  10. Keycube

    Keycube Jedi Master star 2

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    I'm so glad someone else is bothered by this! Yeah, the two wing halves at least should have mimicked one another in surface area; the mounting point for the cannons seem to make for a ridiculously unstable situation.

    However, I'm so glad they moved the rear landing gear outboard of the engine nacelle.
     
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  11. Justus_Cade

    Justus_Cade Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    May 31, 2002
    The new X-Wings remind me of the old concept art for X-Wings, I like them form the most part.

    Hope to see some B-Wings and A-Wings, I would assume that Y-Wings during this era are relics. Although any ship we loved during the OT would be old tech in TFA.
     
  12. Dak Oolron

    Dak Oolron Jedi Knight star 3

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  13. Dak Oolron

    Dak Oolron Jedi Knight star 3

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    Does "Before the Awakening" mention what the T-85 looks like? Wouldn't it be awesome if the T-85 IS the E-Wing? Doubtful, but it might be a nice nod to Legends EU. (Which is why it is doubtful.)
     
  14. dan1210

    dan1210 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Mar 27, 2015
    man, they dropped some of the best shots of the x wings in the actual movie, hopefully we might see them on the bluray.
     
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  15. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The reason they may have just a single aircraft type might be down to exclusive contracts and availability. This is a resistance after all, not the republic proper. Same with the FO.

    Some of those manufacturers of variants might have went away with the demilitarization and disarmament provisions of the peace treaty.
     
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  16. CUAviator

    CUAviator Jedi Knight

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    Dec 23, 2015
    So you're talking about the FA-18C (introduced around the time of ESB and still in use today) and its follow-on, the FA-18E which will be in use until a minimum of 2030. To the lay person, they are visually identical. To the trained eye, they visually difficult to tell apart at times (in the groove at the ship, ACM, yada, yada).
    Ergo, it's not that far fetched for follow-on X-wing variants. If it ain't broke.
    Furthermore, and I think this is the real crux of the argument - the universe, from the end of Jedi, was in sort of a state of Pax Galaxy with the fall of the empire. Look at ANY interwar period in history (specifically the U.S.) - R&D and procurement of military equipment goes WAY down, military service and force size recedes - there's just no appetite for it. Civilizations prefer to focus welfare and economic reform.
    ERGO - the new X-wing is a perfectly reasonable, if not ingenious, plot point.

    *btw, I'm agreeing with you


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  17. CUAviator

    CUAviator Jedi Knight

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    And side note, the First Order, from a political standpoint, would thus leap ahead in military R&D. See pre WWI/WWII Germany.


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  18. Stoneymonster

    Stoneymonster Force Ghost star 4

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    May 8, 2002
    Seems like they spent most of their funding on new capital ships and carving up a planet.
     
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  19. Jmacq1

    Jmacq1 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I really dug the split-wing design of the new X-Wings. I'll always love the originals, but the new ones are very cool, too.

    Now we just need someone to make a modern-day "X-Wing" video game and we'll be set!
     
  20. Strongbow

    Strongbow Force Ghost star 5

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    I would love that. One with an actual story-driven campiagn and not just a weak arena shooter.
     
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  21. CmdrWedge

    CmdrWedge Jedi Youngling

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    Dec 18, 2015
    Who has rights to the Rogue Squadron games? I'd love another one of those.
     
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  22. TooMuchBBQ

    TooMuchBBQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    Jun 4, 2014
    The A-26 Invader (29 year Service Life) and C-47 Gooney Bird (67 years) were used by the US in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
    The A-1 Skyraider (27 yrs) came into service shortly after WWII (1946) and served in Korea and Vietnam.
    The F-4 Phantom (36 yrs), A-7 Corsair (26 yrs), A-6 Intruder(34 yrs), A-4 Skyhawk (47 yrs), AC-130 Spectre all entered service before (or during) the Vietnam War and served in the Gulf War as well (a variation of the A-6, The EA-6B Prowler was just retired last July after 45 years of front line service), The AC-130 is still in service.
    The B-52 has been in front line service since 1955 (60 years)
    The F-15 Eagle has been in service since 1976 (39 years)
    The F-16 Falcon since 1978 (37 years)
    The best example in this case is the F-18 Hornet, the all-purpose fighter/attack jet for the Navy and their front line fighter in the Gulf War, which has been in service since 1983 (32 years) and is being replaced by an upgraded and modernized, yet extremely similar planform, version of the same jet, the F-18E Super Hornet.

    There's a pretty big precedent, once we entered the jet age, for aircraft to stay in service for a long time. It's not at all a stretch that the X-wing design would still be viable, especially in an upgraded design, 35 years or so after the Battle of Yavin.
     
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  23. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Thread merge
     
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  24. Darth Hood

    Darth Hood Jedi Master star 1

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    thats a bingo
     
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  25. Sarlaac_fanboy

    Sarlaac_fanboy Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The Asterisk-wing, maybe?