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Thanks guys for your expertise. I'm sure I'll have more questions later.

sorry, double post.

Question...Who is the Jedi Exile?

Here's the link to Wookiepedia's page on the Exile, PRINCESSCAMBRIA. That site nearly always has excellent info on everything Star Wars (KOTOR included).

One small problem with this particular page right now seems to be that some people have evidently gone on a bit of a feminist jihad and declared that the Exile is categorically a member of the fairer sex.

There's nothing majorly wrong with that, except that the Exile, like Revan, is actually genderless because they're both main characters from RPG games in which the player can choose to play as either a male or female version.

But the rest of the info on there is sound, and should be able to answer any questions you may have.

biOnic...appreciate the link.

Exile can be either sex...So which Exile works best in the KOTOR story line, male or female? And does Revan's gender way in on this? Or who is light or dark?

Cambria, I'm also new to the Kotor era, but I think Exile is best as a man. I've read fics where all three were men. It worked well.

Mr indexer, sir, or any knowldgeable KOTOR person, is the Jedi Temple on Dantooine or Coruscant?

Since I'm on this ID I'll jump in...

brodie, the Jedi Temple is on Coruscant. There is an Enclave on Dantooine which they used for training as well during the KOTOR era.

PRINCESSCAMBRIA, Exile and Revan can both be either gender... although I've read that the canon interpretation is that both are male. Revan's gender does not really bare any sway with regards to the Exile, and both can be either Light or Dark Side... your choice!

Cheers,
Wyo

Actually, the Exile was recently canonized as female. See The New Essential Guide to Droids, particularly the entries on G0-T0 and HK. In both entries, mention is made of the Jedi Exile, who is referred to as a "she".

You are correct jedi_of_ennth! Wookieepedia even shows that now. I guess it must have changed since the last time I looked at it. Or maybe I just didn't pay close enough attention... Nah, that couldn't be it!

Thanks for correcting me. See folks... even I make mistakes. That was my quota for the week!

Cheers,
Wyo

Hello everybody. I was wondering if you could help me with something. Is there any place where I could find transcripts of some of the movies in KotOR? My disk got scratched and won't run(I'm heartbroken about it) and I wanted to go over some of the scenes for information for a fic I'm writing. If anyone could help me I'd really apreciate it.

I'm not sure why, but yeah, it seems that according to strict canon, Revan is seen as male and the Exile now as female. If you ask me, gender shouldn't be specified for either of them, it just tramples over the games. KOTOR purism ftw!

emeraldshadow, it's pretty tricky trying to find a transcript of the game's dialogue. I've attempted to find one a couple times now, but to no avail. I would guess that the problem in trying to compile one is that it's not like a movie script in which the story progresses along a linear path. With games like KOTOR, there are dialogue branches which can follow a multitude of different routes and that would make it difficult to write it out in a consecutive, easy-to-understand fashion.

If anyone else has had more luck, I'd be interested in the result as well.

I didn't think there would be any transcripts (mainly because of the dialogue branches), but I figured asking around would be worth a shot.

Emerald, if you still have the game installed on your computer, there is a way you can look for dialogue. In the main game folder, there is a file called "dialog.TLK", which has all the dialogue, subtitles, and messages for the game. You can open that up in Word, let it load (it's a HUGE file!) and if you remember a sentence or phrase from the scene you're searching for, you can search for it.

Hello, peoples I was wondering if their are any Kotor challenges about?

Curse my lack of thoroughness; I've discovered this index just now.

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How about it Captain of the Ebon Hawk? A challenge would be a great way to get more involved in the era and...take over the boards.

A challenge? A challenge you say? Well here it is...

The First Official KOTOR_Index Challenge! Yay!

So what is this challenge? Glad you asked...

Knights of the Old Republic is full of events that occurred around 4000 years before Anakin Skywalker was a gleam in the Force's eye, before Palpatine figured out that his power could get him discounted opera tickets, before Luke Skywalker first whined about the Tatooine heat to Uncle Owen.

That much time normally lends itself to interesting changes in the true history. How would someone tell the story of KOTOR after the fact? 1000 years later? 3000 years later? Your mission, should you choose to accept it is to...

Write a KOTOR event as a Fairy Tale!

Will you write it like Dr. Suess?

You do not like the Force you say? Try it, try it and you may. Try it and you may I say.

Or more like the Brother's Grimm?

Once upon a time, the great and powerful wizard, Revan, terrorized the galaxy.

Or something completely different? The choice is up to you!

Time limit? There is none, unless you want there to be one... then it's 30 minutes!

There is one catch though... you must submit the fic to the Index when you have completed it. And what if you dont? Besides the repurcussions being deleterious in the extreme, and threatening the very fabric of the universe... well, ok nothing will happen, but it sure would be nice to have your story on the Index wouldn't it?

So have at it! Go forth and write! Write like the wind! Cause you only have 30 minutes, remember? Just kidding.

Now that's what I'm talking about. KotOR challenges.

My entry is up in Before the Saga.

And She...He...It...They Lived Happily Ever After

New fic added to the Index (Post-KOTOR II)

Also wanted to up this for folks who still wished to try the challenge. I will give it about another week, then move on. If anyone has any KOTOR era discussion, feel free to stop by and start one up. I will try and have something up in a few days!

Oooh, a challenge!

I don't know if I'll be able get something done for this one, but I'll be keeping an extra close eye on this thread for new challenges.

New Topic of Discussion!

Something I have been thinking about lately regarding KOTOR and the characters involved...

Revan and the Exile... who do you prefer and why?

Personally I like Revan. I think that the character's battles between light and dark are significant. Not only is there the Jedi vs Sith battles going on, but a battle within himself between light and dark for dominance of his destiny. I've always seen the Exile's journey as trying to regain his place after being cut off from the Force, adn it just isn't as powerful a story to me.

So... let's hear your thoughts!

Good topic Wyo!

Looking back on the games, I think I preferred Revan from a purely gameplaying standpoint, as he always felt like the stronger, more powerful, somehow cooler character to play than the Exile, who seemed to always be standing in Kreia's shadow up until the end.

But in terms of writing, even though they're both really interesting characters, I'd have to lean slightly towards the Exile. The conflict that Revan has, between the light and the dark aspects of his character, is one we've seen a thousand times before, most notably of course in the movies.

The Exile feels like much more of an everyman (recent female canonisation notwithstanding). His struggle to reconnect with the Force and to come to terms with his actions in the past is more compelling for me. That's because, I think, that he does it in the context of being a Jedi the whole time.

Unlike Revan, whose committing of atrocities can be explained away by his fall to the Dark Side and his becoming a Sith, with the Exile it's not that cut and dried. There's always a question about his character, did he fall? Did he not fall? Is he still a Jedi at heart, despite having done evil? What does it really mean to be a Jedi, especially at a time when the Jedi Order is smashed?

I don't know why, but I prefer the complexity that the character of the Exile lends itself to, unlike Revan's comparatively simple, bipolar experinces of both absolute Jediish goodness and absolute Sithish evil.

bi0nic, you took the words right out of my mouth. I love the Exile because she seems more complex than Revan. Also, for some reason, I never really connected with Revan when playing KOTOR1, but the Exile always intrigued me.

Hello again all!

Just a note for ya'll... Index (Post-KOTOR II)has been updated.

Enjoy!