Infinities #4 (spoilers I'm sure)

Ooooo guess what?! Infinities #4 comes out today. I haven't gotten mine yet, but I will in about an hour. I's about time!

So...I'll start the thread. (Hey I want to get ahead of you guys): I'll let you know how it is.

 

Well I read it. man I love the art in this series. Very nice. I like the way the story ended. But I don't want to give too much away until someone else starts posting in here

 

I read it today. I liked it and there were some really cool stuff in there. Great use of Yoda and seeing Luke and Han fight the guards was classic. Han was written so in-character and funny in this series. I noticed that a few story ideas I used for my recently completed fanfic were used as well.

I have mixed feelings about this issue however. Scroll down for spoilers.....
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I wasn't sorry to see Luke and company survive. It's hard to root for them to get killed or failed. But the story ended on a happy note, very similar in many respects to the end of ROTJ. I'm sorry but is that the point of Infinities? Isn't a What if suppose to end differently? We don't even get a mention of Amidala in here. By having it end happy, it cheapens the original film by saying that if Luke had failed in ANH, the good guys still would have won.

I read in the SW Insider a few months ago that originally it was supposed to end with Luke and Leia becoming dark warlords of the galaxy. The original author was Peter David, btw. That would have been awesome. The writers said they liked it but thought it was too dark. They wanted it to be more in feel with the movies. I'm sure but isn't a "What if?" series supposed to be different then the movies? A subject like "What if Luke failed to destroy the Death Star" should end on a dark note. A subject like "What if Anakin Skywalker had not fallen to the Dark Side" should end on a happy note. This series is not going to be groundbreaking if the good guys win every single alternate story arc.

If Dark Horse and LFL think they are incapable of providing a dark ending to future Infinities series, then they should can the entire series right now. If we want 100% positive endings, we'll watch the movies...with the exception of ESB.

 

Drat, someone beat me to it.



I got mine.... haven't read it all the way through yet (I'm as far as Luke and Leia battling each other), but the point is I have it. I was *so* expecting it not to be in.

~*~Bria

 

Way back when this series started (seems like so long ago, thanks to the delays) I said that if it ended with a celebration on Endor, Jedi spirits looking on, and Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Artoo, and Threepio still alive, the whole thing would be pointless.

Being so opposed to the time, ink, paper, and talent wasted on a series outside of the continuity I so cherish, I was surprised to find myself enjoying "the infinite possibilities" laid-out before the reader. I admitted it then, and I will admit it now: I was wrong. Wrong about this being a "worthwhile" endeavor...

But I wasn't wrong about other things.

So it ended on Naboo instead of Endor. Big deal. Everything else was pretty much exactly as I predicted, which, IMNSHO, is a complete "wimp-out". I know LFL calls the shots (moreso than the editors at DHC), and I understand how Luke and Leia falling to the darkside and cruely ruling the galaxy in place of Vader and Palpatine can be seen as "too dark", but I have two words for the guys over at DHC: JEDI PURGE.

Del Rey has been showing us and LFL that they can handle darkness, pain, and suffering. I figure if for no other reason, Infinities could have been made to show that DHC isn't going to shy away from the kind of malevolence and evil "the dark times" will require.

Hmmm...

When is DHC's license up?

 

I was disappointed Yoda and Palpy didn't fight but the death star crash was cool. So was the trooper talking yoda speak.

 

Well put, jedimasterED. Dark Horse has failed big time with this concept. If they don't can it, we can look forward to more alternate happy endings. Sigh.

 

Anyone feel like sharing a lengthy spoiler?

 

Ok, I finished and I must agree with Darth Pipes and jedimasterED. I liked how it ended but.... what was the point? Luke fails, everything stays the same. *yawn*

I can't say I totally dislike the series, but I am dissapointed that the end was so happy. It should've been darker, IMO. Luke and Leia becoming warlord and warlady, one of them being killed... I wouldn't have been cheering, but it seems like a more fitting ending to a good "What if" story.... not have virtually everything end up the same way as the movies....

~*~Bria

 

can anyone give a rough runthrough of what happened?

 

Since I'm up and have nothing else to do this Thanksgiving morning, here we go...

Yoda, Luke, Han, Chewie, and Artoo come cruising into Coruscant in the Falcon. As seen in the previous issue, there are TONS of SDs and SSDs in orbit, as well as the Death Star.

Basically, the heroes' plan is revealed to the reader as it is implemented. Escorted by Artoo, Yoda is to use his Jedi mind tricks to commandeer the Death Star and use its military capabilities (does is have any other capabilities?!?!) to decimate the Imperial Forces (who, I guess, have amassed at Coruscant for the commemoration seen in #3).

Meanwhile, Luke, Han, and Chewie go down to Coruscant to rescue Leia. Chewie stays with the Falcon as Han and Luke go to find Leia. They are allowed to land and enter the Jedi Temple/Imperial Palace, only to be confronted by four Imperial Guardsmen, each brandishing a double-bladed lightsaber exactly like Darth Maul's.

After eliminating that daunting challenge, Luke and Han are led by Threepio to the throne room (I guess) and find the Emperor, Darth Vader, and a black-clad Leia. Palpatine wants Leia to fight Luke, but Luke says nothing Palpatine says will ever make him fight his... SISTER!!! <dun-dun-duuuuun!> Taken aback by this revelation, Leia attacks nonetheless.

Suddenly, an Imperial officer reports that the Death Star is firing on Imperial vessels. Yoda is being given a "demonstration" of the battle station's weapons system by its commander; one Admiral Tarkin. I liked this part.

During the ensuing chaos, Leia comes to see the light, and refuses to fight. The Emperor is not happy with this failure, so he begins to fry both Luke and Leia (as seen on the cover). Of course, Darth Vader also sees the light, and stops Palpatine, but he doesn't chunk him down some unsafe, gaping maw in the floor. No. The senior Skywalker just rings Palpatine's neck a bit.

Anakin tells his children to make a break for it, since the Emperor's rage is now focused on him. Just as Anakin has been cowed before Palpatine (who seems certain to finish off the traitor), a small, green face appears on the throne room big screen. Palpatine challenges Yoda to "come down here and face [him]". Yoda calmly replies, "Coming to see you I am. Now."

Since the Death Star's technicians had disabled the weapons system, Yoda had one thing left to use in a destructive function: the Death Star itself. As the Death Star plunges into Coruscant, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, and Threepio escape the conflagration.

The final shot is one of a celebration. Apparently, "many years" later, on Naboo, Leia is elected(?) Chancellor of the New Republic. Threepio mentions that he wishes Artoo were there, and guess who comes rolling out. That's right. Artoo-Deetoo. It's explained that he copied and pasted his "memories" into the Falcon's computer, and had finally been given a new body.

Looking on are the sprits of Anakin Skywalker, Yoda, and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Fade out... Cue music... Roll credits.

 

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"Coming to see you I am. Now."

That made me smile




So, Yoda agrees with using the Death Star now? That sounds.....wrong

 

I always knew that Yoda was a freak

 

Because most supported the emperor and the empire but ask the writers,doesnt tarkin get mind tricked by Yoda into attacking the imperial fleet?

 

"why Naboo? Luke and Leia still know nothing about amidala and such"

Didn't Luke have a vision that told him of his family heritage in issue 3?

I loved this series!!! It was wonderful!! WAY TO GO DARK HORSE!!

 

So Yoda crashes the Death Star into Coruscant?

That would kill about 1 000 000 000 000 people...

 

Well ....yeah. yoda is a sick little guy but he did get rid of the emperor. Doubt that palpy could have changed into another body in time(Dark Empire) So he effectively destroyed him. Wonder if the price of the victory was worth it. Not that it matters...WE DO NOT HAVE TO COUNT THIS IN THE TIMELINES!!!!! (the beauty of what ifs)

 

Where's the best place to pick up the Infinities series? I've read about them, but not run across them at any book or comic stores here
... searching in Canada??????

 

I haven't been able to find them in Comic stores either (I live in Canada too). Plenty of SW Ongoing, but nothing of Infinities.


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Re: Happy Ending

I hear ya.

But to quote someone from earlier in this message, "I know LFL calls the shots (moreso than the editors at DHC.)"

I wish I could have brought you guys Peter David's story. Now THAT was a "What If?"!

--Dave

 

I thought it was a good series overall, despite the happy ending. My favorite quote was from Han, I don't remember it exactly but it was something like:
"I always said momma didn't raise any fools.
It looks like one slipped through."

 

Hmm, I'm kinda disappointed Han and Leia didn't end up together

 

I liked that bit too, skawookiee. Han didn't know his mother, but since this is just a what if, I laughed at that line.
Perfect Han there.

~*~Bria