Senate Intervention in Syria: Yay or Nay?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Vaderize03, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. Mr44 VIP

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    Well good for Turkey, I didn't remember that their response was so extensive.
  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    It's befitting. This is outside the purview of this thread, but it wouldn't surprise me if they've got the best military in the ME besides the Israelis.
  3. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    Obama's decision to put intervention in Syria to vote in Congress has worried Senator Lindsey Graham. In the event of a future campaign in Iran, he doesn't want any delays or obstacles for the President, so he's being proactive and is preparing to put intervention in Iran to vote in Congress ahead of time, as in now. It's nice to see that at the very least, Syria has created a precedent for following the correct constitutional procedures. :p
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  4. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Well Iran has actually been an hot and then cold issue for many years now. Syria is recent in comparison. So it's not really ahead of time in a way. I'm actually surprised the senate didnt give the president the go-ahead earlier.
  5. Mr44 VIP

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    It's also worried both Robert Gates and Leon Panetta, but for different reasons:

    GSO HERE
  6. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Wouldn't surprise me if the War Powers Act eventually winds up being a hot topic again, as that's where the confusion really stems from.
  7. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    From what I understand, the President cannot unilaterally declare war unless there's a clear and imminent threat to national security? Is that correct?
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  8. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    This is about the first link that seemed to actually know what it was talking about (any lawyers, please feel free to correct it obviously):

    Balance Of War Powers

    The U.S. Constitution empowers the president to wage wars as commander in chief while Congress has the power to declare wars--in fact to authorize hostilities at any level--and fund them. Legal scholars largely agree that presidents can order U.S. troops to fight when the country is attacked or attack appears imminent but chief executives from both major parties often differ with Congress over their ability to initiate military force in other combat situations. Presidents have demonstrated greater power to wage wars since the end of World War II. "The president has been commander in chief since 1789, but this notion that they can go to war whenever they want, and [ignore] Congress, that's a post-World War II attitude," says Louis Fisher, scholar in residence at the Constitution Project (and former specialist in constitutional law at the Library of Congress)

    I'd suggest the level of the threat in WW2 is where that attitude comes from-Hitler was obviously a huge threat, and of course the USSR loomed even larger with the potential for WW3 being a 18-hour-long long nuclear exchange from the first ICBM launch to the last bombers hitting their targets; obviously there'd be no time for Congress to even convene in the event of a surprise nuclear attack.

    The Cold War is with us still, to be honest.
  9. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    I agree with that. As long as we have the power to obliterate one another (and everyone else) in a matter of hours, the line between imminent and non-imminent danger is blurred. As far as I'm concerned, the Cold War only had a start. It will never end.
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  10. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    "The Obama Doctrine." I'm on board.
  11. sons_of_anakin_tatooine Force Ghost

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    aint going to matter. the laws and constitution were shredded when bush was in power and is still being torn up currently by the current president. i have learned to accept that all we are is sheep and no matter what we the people say it isnt going to matter since we are not the ** elite**. i know that may piss off some military guys here but thats just how i feel.
  12. DARTH-FURBABY Force Ghost

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    Nor here-mod edit
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  13. thebadge Force Ghost

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  14. Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus

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    Um, I didn't post the second part of the above post. The author might want to edit where the second "V-03" is placed. Currently, it's at the bottom of the quoted post, which makes it look like I wrote it when I did not.

    Thank you.
  15. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    but vaderize how do you feel about the dirty mexicans vis-a-vis syria, while we're on the topic?
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  16. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    Ah, yes, the debate strategy of bringing a whole host of other, unrelated issues into the mix to cloud the argument.. Good job, @thebadge.
  17. thebadge Force Ghost

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    Sorry it means nothing I hit the keyboard my accident and they made the post.
  18. thebadge Force Ghost

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    Turkey controls Constantinople and the straits, its a huge deal and has been for over 200 years.
  19. thebadge Force Ghost

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    I've always thought how great it would be next time Israel is boxed in and was in at hand-That a big ro-ro transport dock and unload and entire German Mechanized Corps. Preceded by say 200 German fighter aircraft along with, food, medical supplies, ammo, etc. Then both German Parachute divisions land along with the transports and tankers staying in Israeli.

    A little payback for her sins and seeing a modern organized professional military join up to support the Israelis', I know Im dreaming but the' can'
    of whoop a** would be out.
  20. Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost

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    Not to come off the wrong way.... but I don't understand your last post there in terms of what is happening to who.
  21. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    i think he's envisioning some sort of german-driven Final Solution to the israeli question...?
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  22. Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost

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    If that worked, we wouldn't be dealing with this problem in the first place.
  23. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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    He's envisioning Germany coming to Israel's aid at the last minute, and together they fight their way through the enemy with great vengeance and furious glorious anger.[face_flag]
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  24. Violent Violet Menace Force Ghost

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