Invisible Hand

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  1. Count_Solidus Jedi Master

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    I was recently reading the new Episode III cross-sections book and I noticed a quote about the Invisible Hand that made a theroy pop into my head. The quote states: "Loyalist agents have tried to track the vessel's movements, but Grievous frequently swaps Mid Rim patrols with her sister ship Lucid Voice to confuse the enemy."

    My theory is this: Are these ships obviously references to the Sith?

    The Confederate Ship Invisible Hand is obviously a reference to Darth Sidious, the "invisible hand" who moves the pieces around the board. The Lucid Voice would then refer to Count Dooku: the "lucid (clear, logical, thought through) voice" that calls for the abandonment of the Republic for a better system.

    To me this theory seems obvious, but I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions. I take criticism quite well and apologize if this comes across as '05-ish.
  2. Darth_Pogey Force Ghost

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  3. CrazySaber Jedi Master

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    That could very well be, Solidus. Good observation.

    EDIT: whats 05ish mean?

    That's 05ish.
  4. Count_Solidus Jedi Master

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  5. Bacon164 Force Ghost

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    I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you! :D

    Hehe. Great observation. Sorry, if it's taken, but for some reason, I can't think of another synonym for observation. So, good observation.
  6. Carnage04 Jedi Grand Master

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    The seperatist movement, being mainly comprised of groups interested in cash makes "The Invisible Hand" A very nice historical reference for real life.

    Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" refers to an Invisible Hand guiding the Economy. For those less into history and more into movies, there may be an "Adam Smith", "Wealth of Nations" or "Invisible Hand" comment in A beautiful mind, as John Nash's (Russel Crowe) economic theory was important because it rebuked Adam Smith's economic theory of the invisible hand that had guided the world economy for centuries.

    That is where I assumed the name was derived from.

    Carnage
  7. Count_Solidus Jedi Master

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    That could also be a possibility.
  8. darth_grievous1 Force Ghost

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    Quite possible. You have restored my faith in 05ers
  9. Darth_Deus Jedi Master

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    Michael Jackson: Oooh...Invisible Hand.....I wish I had one of those.
  10. Uchiha_Itachi Jedi Knight

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    good one about MJ! That made my day Buddy=D=
  11. Dirty-Darth Jedi Master

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    whats 05ish mean?

    you... [face_plain]
  12. SgtZimm Jedi Knight

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    dang,,, at the start i thought you were building up to the sister ship being what vader later uses as his own.
  13. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Interesting. I didn't known that there was a second ship. Lucid Voice probably refers to Tyranus.
  14. LeeKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    It's an obvious throwback to Genesis.

    (the band, not the book)

    One of their biggest hits: Invisible Touch.

    Lucid Voice is a direct reference to Phil Collins.

    Think about what the galaxy is becoming: Land of Confusion.
  15. Adm_Thrawn Jedi Master

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  16. LeeKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    And True Colors refers both to Anakin turning to the Dark Side, and the new Clone armor!
  17. Adm_Thrawn Jedi Master

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    The who what?

    What's he talking about?
  18. brooklynapprentice Jedi Knight

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    I think you're right Kenobi. Futher references include:

    Get 'Em Out By Friday (AKA The Ballad of Order 66)

    Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (Jedi Medley)

    The Battle Of Epping Forest (wherein the death of Master Plaster-Caster)

    After The Ordeal (Obi-Wan serenades the Lars Family)

    Cuckoo Cocoon (General Veers on his way to Vader's hyperbaric chamber)

    The Supernatural Anaesthetist (Song of the Polis Massan)

    Dance On A Volcano (The Duel Duet)

    Mad Man Moon (Yavin Rocks)

    Unquiet Slumbers For The Sleepers... (Anakin's Dream Interlude)

    Looking For Someone [found someone you have] (Jedi Purge Hoedown)

    For Absent Friends (Yoda's Dagobah Ballad)
  19. Count_Solidus Jedi Master

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  20. Darth_Pogey Force Ghost

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    For the record I said whats 05ish mean? as a joke
  21. Balzuh Jedi Master

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    Lucid Voice is a VoIP provider...
  22. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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    I like it, but I'll go one better:

    Invisible Hand = implies deceit, treachery, a mysterious path (Sith) - Phantom Menace(?)

    Lucid Voice = implies clarity of vision, reason, a clearly defined path (Jedi) - Yoda(?), Prophecy(?)

    It is symbolic of the conflict between the two and the very idea that both can be "swapped" is key to ROTS as Anakin finds himself between the two camps and believes them so interchangeable one for the other (in terms of both reach the same ends via diferent means), that he mirrors Grievous the half-android killer who believes these ships to be swappable.

    ROTS is a film of opposites.
  23. Space_Pirate Jedi Padawan

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    You are right about the ships being in reference to the sith.

    I first noticed this with Vader?s "Executor" Star Destroyer. "Executor" meaning a doer/some one who carries things out, which is Vader?s role amongst the sith.

    Now in the Prequels we have the "Lucid" ship, meaning the elegant, well spoken smooth talker. This is Dooku.

    Then we have the "Invisible Hand" defining Sidious? role, like you said the hand that moves the pieces on the board.

    Just goes to show the things that George has put in his story that give it great depth, I'm betting there?s other little things like this that have gone unnoticed. The guy's a genius.

  24. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    For the record I said whats 05ish mean? as a joke

    Nice cover :)

    This is a cool development...I like the word lucid anyway
  25. Count_Solidus Jedi Master

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