PT Invisible Hand's destruction=Best chance to end Palpatine's scheme?

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  1. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    circumstances dictated that course of action from the jedi

    And it wouldn't be too hard to prove that he started the war and was controlling both sides . . . and i think the senate and people wouldn't complain much if they knew that
  2. ILNP Jedi Master

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    Yes it is. If Palpatine wasn't a traitor/ Sith then they wouldn't have tried to kill him. Remember, they don't try to kill him until after he kills 3 Jedi Masters. Before that they were only going to arrest him.
  3. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    And Mace is still saying "You are under arrest, My Lord" after that- it's not till Palpatine hits him with lightning that he finally starts saying "He controls the courts- he's too dangerous to be left alive".

    Not sure what blasting him with Sith Lightning has to do with "controlling the courts" though.
  4. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    What proof do they have?

    No, it's not just "Palpatine is innocent or not", but the Jedi could arrest/execute anyone without the Senate/Court's permission, if they could do it to the chancellor, they could do it any of them as long as they think "this guy is bad", which is what people could not endure.
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  5. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    He did it with "self defense", the Jedi does not have the right to arrest the chancellor without the permission of the Senate/Court. Being a Sith does not break any law of the Republic.
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  6. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Being the co-conspirator of Count Dooku, head of the Separatists, might though. In Labyrinth of Evil, Palpatine actually tells the Jedi "Do what you must to hunt this Darth Sidious down" after a small communication from Nute Gunray to Darth Sidious is found.
  7. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    What proof do they have of that? Palpatine never said he was Sidious before the masters, he didn't even admit he was Sith at all.

    Even if they prove he is Sith, as long as they cannot tie him with Sidious, that's not enough for arrest, and they arranged it simply based on Anakin's words.
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  8. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    They don't have proof of Palpatine being Sidious - but they might have enough evidence to at least arrest him on.
  9. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    What proof? Palpatine said it clear in the novel.


    And they need to give the evidence to the Senate/Court then let them decide to arrest Palpatine or not, since Jedi does not have any special authority to arrest people, especially politicians. Of course Palpatine controlled both of them and has far greater political skills than the Jedi, so that's a dead end already.
  10. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    As part of the Judicial Forces- they have as much authority to arrest as any cop does.

    They know Dooku was a Jedi and that he is now a Sith Lord (indeed Palpatine actually calls Dooku that)- someone must have trained him and be his boss- that would be Sidious.

    Identifying Palpatine as Sidious comes with tagging him as partly responsible for everything the Confederacy's been doing- as well as being a traitor to the Republic.
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  11. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    They would have Mountains of proof. Picked up and developed throughout the war and before.

    Like is said it would not be hard at all for investigators to look through business dealings, bank details etc if they had a few months to work. The proof would be there.
  12. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    Cops need the Court's permission to arrest people, especially someone like the nations' leader. Do you believe the cops can arrest the President without the Court/Congress' permission?

    And no proof showed Palpatine is Sidious at that time.
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  13. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    Where? Sidious never had any direct business with CIS. He mostly use Dooku for that.
  14. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Oh? Never had any direct business with them...funny...I must've imagined the scenes where he does that in ROTS and none of the CIS leadership is all "who's this cloaked dude again?"
  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Under some circumstances they need a warrant. but not all.

    Under Republic law, all Force-sensitives within the Republic are under the legal custody of the Jedi- which would include Palpatine, once the Jedi know that (as a Sith Lord) - he's a Force-Sensitive. Thus they can take him into custody if they're satisfied he's a danger to the public.
  16. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    The Jedi aren't cops, for that matter. Did the SEALs need the Supreme Court's permission to go kill/capture Osama? No? There's your answer. Palpatine is 1) Darth Sidious by his own admission. 2) The Jedi know the Sith are behind the war and lead the Separatist movement. 3) By that, Palpatine is literally a traitor and also the enemy's leader. By any modern court (besides, of course, people on Star Wars forums who don't grasp government) this pretty well nullifies any protections Republic law might have afforded him.
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  17. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    he had loads of direct business with everyone. Given enough time all of his and Plagueis's dealings would be brought to light, everything from the Confederacy formation, clone army production, etc etc
  18. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    They knew him as Sidious, not Palpatine.
  19. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    Where did it say? And they had no evidence to show he is a Sith before they decided to arrest him. Also he's not a child, but the chancellor with emergent power.

    The SEALs does need the Court's permission to arrest the President, of course, and Palpatine is the chancellor of the Republic with emergent power. It's just like arrest Truman before WWII is over.

    No he didn't say he was Sidious so it's not going to tie with anything with the CIS.
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  20. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    He simply commanded CIS as Darth Sidious, he used Dooku to form the CIS and Plagueis used Sifo Dyas for the Clone Army.
  21. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    In the novel Windu also made his point clear

    So Windu wanted to kill Palpatine not because he's a powerful Sith Lord, but the Senate/Court would not listen to the Jedi.
  22. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    Please use the edit feature instead of mass posts.
  23. FatSmel Jedi Grand Master

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    exactly . . . and it could have been easily back tracked to show his guilt . . . i don't see the problem you are having.

    preceding ROTS the Jedi had almost discovered Palpatine/Sidious's identity ALREADY, without any obvious clues. That was why he ordered Grievous to attack coruscant, to distract the jedi, because they would have discovered his identity within hours.

    Obviously proving his links to all the evil he had done would not be difficult at all, sure it would be awkward at first to explain why they killed the Chancellor, but there would be no serious resistance in the long term
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