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Lit is Chewbacca gonna be revived in the EU over the next two years?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by IG_2000, May 10, 2013.

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  1. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    yes when I think of Star Wars I think of real life ;)

    what I like from both Abrams and Ardnt is they have a huge respect to the OT. I don't think it's necessary for the Big 3 to die on screen in the ST for multiple reasons, the biggest one is we will be expecting it. But what will surprise me is if all 3 films have a nice balance of having both the new generation and the OT characters working together to face the new threat and eventually the new generation takes center stage at saving the galaxy and the keys to the Falcon
     
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  2. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Just pointing out how unrealistic it is to not have anyone die. No emotional attachment at all.
     
  3. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    -Lord of the Rings some how managed with killing off just Boromir and second tier characters
    -The Dark Knight trilogy killed off a character(Rachel Dawes) made for the trilogy but all the significant players survived
    -The Marvel films have not killed off anyone significant unless the character was made for the films or died in the comics.

    I understand what you're saying but seeing Luke or Han,etc dying in the first half of Episode VII just to set the status quo basically screams shock value we got with NJO and LotF. There are other ways around that, better ways especially with a space fantasy like Star Wars. As it's proven with Avengers you don't need to kill off a main/significant character to have a successful and fun movie
     
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  4. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Harry Potter and The Hunger Games. Great characters that I grew up with along with Star Wars (more so Harry Potter than the Hunger Games) and got emotionally tied to them over the years and was devastated when they died. This is the finale for the Big 3. No ride off into the sunset. So cliche. I want some pretty final that they are dead. I don't think they would want to be around for the SST. Everyone dies. For them to survive the ST to not be seen again would be a rip-off. The deaths in NJO had a purpose. The deaths in LOTF and FOTJ OTOH were pointless.
     
  5. Jedifirefly5

    Jedifirefly5 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Let him stay a hero. He died an amazing death at 250 years old.
     
  6. _Catherine_

    _Catherine_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Luke's ghost showing up in Legacy is pretty final.

    The Big Three are not going to die in the ST. If the current EU remains intact and is incorporated into the continuity of the sequels, the Big Three are not going to be killed off in the EU now that they're viable film characters again. The only way I see them biting it any time soon is if the current EU ends or is rebooted and doesn't have to worry about ST continuity. The post-ROTJ EU has kept them around for thirty years; if the ST spawns a new EU, I doubt killing off the Big Three would be the first item on its agenda.
     
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  7. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    Ever seen a filmseries in which popular characters are killed off in between movies? It generally doesn't happen unless the actor dies or has to leave, because people expect to be shown important events on screen. It is harder to connect emotionally to something that is just narrated and not "shown". Rules of dramaturgy say Chewie will be back and dramaturgy is more important than realism, especially in a space fairy tale.

    What I also expect is for an important character to die in VII to set up that everyone can die. If you think the heroes survive no matter what, a lot of tension is lost. Someone will die and I think it could be Han Solo.

    Exactly. Star Wars is not real life.
     
  8. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The suggestion was raised as Mayhew (apparently) has a clause in his Episode III contract to also be in the sequel trilogy.
     
  9. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    It's precisely this kind of literal thinking that has near-killed the EU! SW was set up as a space opera, it is not, in genre terms, a war story! It doesn't have the story conventions of that genre and attempting to graft them on tends to end up creating a real bastard of a half-breed. The one time it's been successfully done? Shatterpoint, but that was by The Stover, it was an exceptional piece of work that also demonstrated why SW isn't suited to be a war story as standard.

    As to real life, SW was a success, in large part, because it was contra-flow to real life! 1977 the US was still reeling from defeat in Vietnam and 50,000 dead soldiers plus Watergate, SW came along and let them get away from all of that for 2 hours - good guys up against evil bad guys and they win - just. Sure the Yavin attack had a 90% minimum death rate but Luke and Wedge lived. Let's deem that nice and fluffy, redshirt deaths don't count after all. (Though loads of 'em also died at Hoth and Endor.)

    As to villain, easy answer: Darth Plagueis.
     
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  10. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    According to what's supposedly a quote from Mayhew in 2004, his contract for ROTS "requires" him to appear in Episodes 7-9 (I couldn't find the original TheForce.net article from 2004 but the contemporary forum post from another board below references it):

    NightlyNet: Peter Meyhew's [sic] contract includes episode 7-9

    EDIT: Sinrebirth beat me to it.
     
  11. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    @ Jedi Ben

    Space Opera and Opera on general love dramatic deaths. Even if you go back to the myth roots of star wars you will see that main character death is ubiquitous. Apparently it was even considered to off Han Solo in RotJ.

    But I agree that NJO takes it too far with all the deaths and torture-porn. You shouldn't kill off perfectly fine protagonists like Anakin Solo who still have a lot of development potential in them.

    Maybe he will play the scenes where he just sits in the falcon and the rest is CGI or played by another actor? I am sure some compromise will be found unless Mayhew behaves like a total diva (which I doubt).
     
  12. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    True and I'm not saying it won't happen in some form, but I doubt it'll be the shock value opening scenes option. Remember, they have 1 chance to get a death scene right.

    What does that mean? It has to be fitting for the character, be a logical end point for their arc and give meaning to all they've done while not being deemed cruel and nasty. An example of the latter? New villain kills Han Solo, while Leia is helpless to prove how evil they are. If that was done, I can see it being rejected by a lot of people and it could eclipse the story's positive elements. An example of the former? Luke aids a young Jedi in a final battle or saves therm from a villain they can't yet beat, trains them, dies in the final battle, knowing he's found his successor. That could work.

    Now I suspect Abrams and co may pull this off, but it's a very high stakes move as ep 7-9 is at the end of the story - a conclusion will reverberate backwards across all 9 films in positive or negative fashion, giving people a reason to watch again or not. It's how TUF elevated the entire NJO due to how strong a piece of work it was.
     
  13. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    I am in absolute agreement with you regarding that. I too want to see a death with meaning and not one with cheap shock value. The former selfish scoundrel sacrificing himself for his family and for the good of the galaxy would have a lot of meaning. It would be the finale of Han Solos development and story arc.

    Luke martyring himself on the other hand was already done so often that it wouldn't give us new insight into the character.

    That is why I would prefer Han Solo to die. Chewie might follow his best friend into death on the falcon.
     
  14. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Main character deaths to motivate the young protagnists are so cliche at this point as well.
     
  15. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    I ironically suspected the same of Pike or Spock Prime to be the sacrificial lamb for the Trek film but was please that wasn't the case. I think if the ST follows TUF in quality and also another example of no significant characters dying(save for Ackbar offscreen) then we'll have some enjoyable films to look forward to.
     
  16. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The NJO was needed after the Bantam books. As much as I love the Bantam books, they get old after a while. It's good and all that they won't be killed but there is no real threat of making me think otherwise. Maybe they should have put in another series in between the Bantam books and the NJO books with a true Unknown Regions threat so the Solo kids can get their feet and then bring in the Vong. Ramp up the darkness a little before the true threat. Though to me the NJO isn't as bad in the darkness compartment as what comes after. In the darkest days of the NJO there was always hope that things would work out. I don't get that feeling with DNT/LOTF/FOTJ.
    If the ST is set 40 years after the OT I fully expect the ST to be the the last hurrah of the Big 3 and Hamill, Fisher and Ford playing as them. They probably will create a TV series spanning the years between the OT and ST and they might voice the characters there but I don't want anyone else voicing them in the movies. Spinoff movies from earlier are fine.
     
  17. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    a certain change was needed after the Bantam books(Super weapons, warlord of the week etc), but I'm not convinced that NJO was the answer. Not everybody love it. The death of Chewie, the hardcore sci-fi edge, the mishandle of the main characters, series lengths, and inconsistency threw off a lot of EU fans. At best I think NJO was a mixed bag. Lots of potential and grand in scope, execution was hampered by multiple authors and inconsistencies. Also some filler material and over aging of the OT characters. By comparison it's superior to it's "sequel" series but that's not saying much. But back to topic.

    Since I would say half the fans or at least a third didn't like NJO I doubt Disney will follow anything that will displease the fans of the OT

    Is it true that Mayhew has a contract clause for the ST ? and if so what is the injury preventing him to do the role ?
     
  18. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    A new enemy that could be the main bad guys for an extended amount of time to replace the Empire was needed, we needed something that showed that this era would be a bit different from what happened before, as sad as I am about Chewie's death, it gave me a valuable lesson. None of us are invincible and that we can die at anytime. How were the main characters mishandled? I know Jacen was changed dramatically but don't remember anyone else changing. The series length doesn't bother me that much either. The series seemed to be pretty consistent as well. More so than the Bantam books and what comes after.
     
  19. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't think I need the books to tell me that I'm going to die someday . You might not agree with the cons of NJO but others don't feel that way. I'm simply saying that not everyone is a fan of NJO and it's unlikely ST will follow that approach. As for complaints about characters being mishandled go to SOS, we basically have pages worth of issues with Luke's characterization alone in that series. But honestly I think we are derailing the topic here with NJO, this is about solely about Chewie and a possible return.

    I do want to know about Peter Mayhew's health condition and if it's an issue for him returning to the role
     
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  20. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Well I was 9 or so when I read Vector Prime so that whole thing hadn't hit home yet. Characters dying in the story don't bother me. It sucks when characters that I like die but I don't expect everyone to live anymore. Obviously the ST will be lighter than the NJO in tone but I don't really expect the Big 3 to live past this. They might get a Yodaesque death for all I know. That's fine.
     
  21. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    ah I see, and I'm ok with Luke dying off like Yoda, it's just more or less we are expecting the Big 3 to go out like Obi-wan and I think the writers will play with that expectation
     
  22. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Han I think will die trying to protect someone, probably Leia or his kids. Luke I can see dying like Obi-Wan. Receiving injuries and then disappearing into the Force a bit later. Leia I'm not sure about.
     
  23. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    like I said we more or less are expecting it....so it provides a point that the writers will toy around with our expectations
     
  24. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This is how I hope Han will go. I doubt there will be a dry eye in the theater if that happens, except among a few 1980-era Luke/Leia fans who really don't like Han and have never forgiven Lucas for making Luke and Leia siblings. (I've known a few of those.)

    I hope Luke dies naturally; something about him surviving the throne room scene in ROTJ and then dying in another battle later, doesn't sit well with me, I don't know why.

    Leia is the one of the Big Three whom I really hope survives.
     
  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Just have to figure out they can make it as grand but just as unique as Chewie's death in Vector Prime. There are Luke and Leia as a couple fans? Can't say I'm surprised since I've read some pretty crazy fanfiction out there for other stories but wow. I can see that about not wanting Luke to die in a battle after surviving the Throne Room. That's why after the battle depending on confident he feels about the next generation taking over he will disappear into the force and then have a repeat of ROTJ.
     
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