Is Christmas an insult to Christianity?

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Chris2, Aug 24, 2002.

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  1. Chris2 Jedi Youngling

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    I don't mean to be Scrooge or the Grinch, but I'm afraid Christmas + Christianity don't mix....

    Here's why--

    -It's nowhere in the bible-the *story* is(Although quite different from the one we're accustomed to-see "Twisting of the Nativity to below), but there's no statement that it has to be worshipped as a Holiday.

    -Pagan influence. Everything from the date(The birthdate of several Pagan dieties) to Christmas trees.

    -Santa Claus. Come on, the guy has almost nothing to do with Jesus? He was apparentally a Catholic saint to start with, then got warped into a magical, immortal fat guy. Also other Christmas characters like Frosty and Rudolph...

    -Materialism and Commercialism. While giving *is* a Christian virtue, Christmas is often to used as a scam to sell as much crap to as many people as possible. And people are mainly obsesssed with *receiving*, not *giving*.

    -Twisting of the nativity story. Three Kings of the Orient? What? Actually Zoroastarian Magi in the court of Herod the Great. Little Drummer boy? Where?

  2. Kerr_Plunk Jedi Grand Master

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    -Pagan influence. Everything from the date(The birthdate of several Pagan dieties) to Christmas trees.

    also, it was conveniently placed around the time of the Winter Solstice... the rebirth of the Sun...
  3. Master-Jedi-Smith Jedi Master

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    Haven't you seen the origins of Christmas on the History Channel? :)

    Latre! :D
  4. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    I agree Christmas's meaning has been watered down but its not a insult to Christianity.At least not yet.
  5. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm not Christian, but I love Christmas! SALES!!!!!
  6. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    Santa Claus is actually a correct Christian tradition because it is based off St. Nicholas who would give money to dowery-less girls on Christmas day.

    However, things like the Christmas tree and such and so are pagan influences.

    My biggest problem with Christmas is that it's no longer a Christian holiday, it seems. Everybody likes the gift giving (and esp. receiving ;) ) so much that it doesn't seem to matter that they don't believe in the point of Christmas -- the birth of the Christian God into human form.

    I mean, nobody besides Jewish people celebrate passover. Why? Cause it's not "fun." It's a serious religious occasion. I think, personally, that we've secularized Christmas too much, but that's just me. And I know alot of people disagree with me.
  7. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Even as a non-Christian I agree it's a very securlarized holiday. (Did I even spell that right?)
  8. 1stAD Jedi Youngling

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    Oh, I doubt it will even be called Christmas for much longer ;)

    Can you say...."Happy Universal Non-Exclusionary Merchandise-Exchange Fun Day?"
  9. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Can you say...."Happy Universal Non-Exclusionary Merchandise-Exchange Fun Day?"

    [face_laugh]
  10. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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  11. R2D2-PENA Jedi Knight

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    I mean, nobody besides Jewish people celebrate passover. Why? Cause it's not "fun." It's a serious religious occasion. I think, personally, that we've secularized Christmas too much, but that's just me. And I know alot of people disagree with me.

    Well, there are many Christians who do celebrate passover, not just Jews, that is why our (Christian and Jewish) "religion" is called Judeo-Christian. Christianity doesn't exclude itself from Jewish, it is the Jewish that exclude themselves from Christianity. But that is a different story.

    Also, i believe that the fact that we give Jesus the importance during christmas is what makes a difference. A celebration, no matter where is comes from or influenced means nothing or something depending on how, and for whom you do it.
  12. Kerr_Plunk Jedi Grand Master

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    A celebration, no matter where is comes from or influenced means nothing or something depending on how, and for whom you do it.


    absolutely!! well said...
  13. Chris2 Jedi Youngling

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    BTW does anybody think that Christmas(The holiday, not the event!) is kind of predicted in the Book of Revelation?


    "They will give gifts to each other, and be merry"
  14. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    Oh, I'm not saying we should exclude ourselves from our Jewish heritage by any means! I'm just saying that the tendency for people to celebrate holidays NOT having anything to do with their own religion is very slight except for Christmas.
  15. Devilanse Jedi Grand Master

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    Christmas is not an insult to Christianity. (some) Christians do enough to insult it without having to blame the Holiday.

    When I say insult it, I mean by taking the words of the bible so literally that they slam anyone who isn't of the same religion as they are.

    Thats not what its all about.
  16. LittleLadyVader Jedi Master

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    Christmas is a wonderful day to spend time with your loved ones and give gifts. For strong Christians it is also the celebration of Christ's birth.

    It doesn't matter to me if some of the traditions are based on pagan beliefs and traditions. I actually think that may enhance it because God shows himself in every religion. :)

    When I say insult it, I mean by taking the words of the bible so literally that they slam anyone who isn't of the same religion as they are.

    Very true. :(
  17. Master-Jedi-Smith Jedi Master

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    So, does every good christian believe that it is alright to mix your beliefs, or even your savior's birthday, with paganism?

    Latre! :D
  18. DARTHPIGFEET Jedi Master

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    "Oh, I doubt it will even be called Christmas for much longer

    Can you say...."Happy Universal Non-Exclusionary Merchandise-Exchange Fun Day?"

    HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Sad but true in these terrible politically correct times we live in.
  19. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    So, does every good christian believe that it is alright to mix your beliefs, or even your savior's birthday, with paganism?

    I know there's some sect of Christianity (I don't know which) that believes in purging all the pagan rituals out of Christianity. My friend Meesha wouldn't even let me give her a Christmas present.
  20. DARTHPIGFEET Jedi Master

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    He's making a list, checking is twice gonna find out who doesn't want to call Christmas Chrsitmas anymore. Santa Claus will become Bill Gates.
  21. Master-Jedi-Smith Jedi Master

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    "I know there's some sect of Christianity (I don't know which) that believes in purging all the pagan rituals out of Christianity."

    Wouldn't that mean that they would have to celebrate Christ's birthday in a different month?

    Latre! :D
  22. CmdrMitthrawnuruodo Chosen One

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    Um, isn't Easter Sunday the birth of Christ?
  23. Master-Jedi-Smith Jedi Master

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    ?[face_plain]

    No, that's when he supposedly rose from the dead, if you believe that.

    Oh, and I almost forgot, that's also when you are to color hardboiled eggs, eat candy, and believe in a huge rabbit. :)

    Latre! :D
  24. ADMIRALSPUZZUM Jedi Master

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    Most likely, Christmas and Easter are how they are now because as Christianity became less a force in peoples lives, they still wanted an excuse to celebrate SOMETHING (and get all the stuff that came along with the holiday). The result is you get an immortal tub-o-lard and a giant rodent. I wouldn't call it an insult to Christianity, but I would say people have forgotten the meaning.
  25. Angelic_308 Force Ghost

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    I know this might be off the subject but in answer to your question Chris2

    ""BTW does anybody think that Christmas (The holiday, not the event!) is kind of predicted in the Book of Revelation?
    "They will give gifts to each other, and be merry""

    No. I don't think It has anything to do with Christmas (None know's when this stuff will happen) Read the whole chapter (Rev 11)

    (Edit) I still haven't figured out how to use the markup codes [face_blush]
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