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Is DE cannon?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Mandalore_X, Sep 20, 2005.

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  1. Mandalore_X

    Mandalore_X Jedi Youngling star 3

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    GL said after ROTJ the emperor was dead.

    Mara jade told luke that she wasnt convinced that ,the suppoesd emperor was the true emperor.Sahe said this in the hrawn trilogy.
     
  2. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's canon.

    Disliked ferociously in places, but canon.

    *shrugs*

    Though Palpatine is nowhere near as dangerous in DE, because he isn't the mass-Force-imbalance machine he was.

    Despite the fact the Jedi obviously aided in that imbalance post-Palpatines Chancellorship.
     
  3. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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  4. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    Cannon go boom!
     
  5. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Though Palpatine is nowhere near as dangerous in DE, because he isn't the mass-Force-imbalance machine he was.

    the weird thing is he said it himself that he was more powerful then in the movies, and actually proves it.
     
  6. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, my theory is that the Jedi became the imbalance as they did Palpatine's bidding and propped up the Republic/Empore, and the Sith just used the darkness that was always there.

    Mace points this out in the ROTS novel.

    Thus, Palpatine's new powers means nothing as he wasn't the real cause of the main imbalance in the first place.
     
  7. Grand_Admiral_Gotti

    Grand_Admiral_Gotti Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Hes a little more ruthless as well, mostly because he no longer has any type of provisional council/senate to explain thisngs to or what not... but he released the world devastators upon the galaxy and just wasnt holding back then the force storm he creates at the end. I would say he was more relentless and powerful than ever before.

    but YES it is canon
     
  8. Mat Skywalker

    Mat Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    but he released the world devastators upon the galaxy and just wasnt holding back then the force storm he creates at the end. I would say he was more relentless and powerful than ever before.

    i agree
     
  9. Bpfashforever

    Bpfashforever Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Palpatine may have been somewhat more dangerous in De, but he had lost what made him truly dangerous: his mind. The long journey of his mind through the Void was enough to make him completely bat**** crazy. It's the only explanatuion for how incredibly STUPID he was throughout the whole arc.
     
  10. Jedi_Matt

    Jedi_Matt Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    having to share a body with two spirits, even in a clone body, can make you 'bat**** crazy' too :p

    mind if i borrow that phrase? :p
     
  11. Mandalore_X

    Mandalore_X Jedi Youngling star 3

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    How can it be Cannon when GL said the emperor was dead after return of the jedi.Dont you think it kind of belittles Anakin's sacrifice?
     
  12. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    No, not really.
     
  13. Rohniss

    Rohniss Jedi Padawan star 4

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    firstly its Canon with 1 N.
    Cannons are weapons.
    Canon (in the SW sense, is continutity)

    secondly, the emporer was dead in ROTJ, Exar Kun was dead at the end of TOTJ, Ragnos died at the start of TOTJ, all 3 of them are Sith Lords, and guess what all 3 of them came back from the dead in one form or another.

    "Time is but a Window, Death is But a Door.... I'LL BE BACK !"
    -Vigo

    Lucas apparently liked DE so much (or thought it was funny) he was reported to give it away at lucasfilm as christmas presents to the staff.


     
  14. Zekks_Darkness

    Zekks_Darkness Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Um, no. If Anakin didn't sacrifice himself, Luke would be dead. Dead Luke = Living Palpatine. Thus, by conclusion, we can see that Anakin's sacrifice made ALL the difference.

    Besides, Anakin killed the REAL Palpatine, not his crazy clone. We all know that clones are inferior to the originals, right? ;)
     
  15. Mandalore_X

    Mandalore_X Jedi Youngling star 3

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    GL said after sidous was dead that he was not comming back.
     
  16. Starkeiller

    Starkeiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    G.L. has said many things. Don't listen to G.L., watch his movies. ;)

    Yes, it's canon, it's a great story, and it works with Sidious coming back after Anakin's sacrifice. But I believe it was Palpy that came back, not Sidious. Other people believe it was just some mad clone...
     
  17. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    Ah! But he wasn't really Palpatine, was he? He was El Clono.
     
  18. Jedi_Matt

    Jedi_Matt Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    then why did he permit DE to be made?

    All SW works have to be approved by GL or some member of staff, but for the emperor coming back, i'd imagine it'd have to go to the top.

    Funny thing is, Lucas also said the Dark Empire Arc was the closest thing to Episodes 7,8 and 9 in his mind.

     
  19. Mandalorian-Jedi

    Mandalorian-Jedi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    They were going to bring Vader back, but Lucas nixed that.

    This was printed before the prophecy was even thought of. Really, Vader made a sacrifice to save Luke, not to "bring balance to the Force". He saved Luke, Luke didn't die in DE. No sacrifice wasted.
     
  20. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    A couple Insider continuity-columns ago, Pablo swore he'd one day tackle the Tales of the Jedi Sith-spirit issue. For what it's worth.


    "Wasn't he also Vigo the Butch?"
     
  21. Jedi_Matt

    Jedi_Matt Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    EEEEEEEEEEEExxactly.

    If not before it was thought of, it wasn't talked of in any star wars work at all at all at all!
     
  22. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    [face_dancing]

    [face_laugh]
     
  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Easy Matt, at the time, he liked the idea!

    What we're overlooking here is that different stuff gets done for different audiences. For EU fans of SW it gets complicated as Lucas is highly varied in his view of the EU, ranging from endorsement of ie. liking DE so much he gave copies as presents to putting up with it ie. the PT. Despite that, it may not be as incoherent a view as it appears. Lucas seems to say that the EU is fine unless it interferes with what he was doing in the films, which is fine. If there is a problem, it is not with what Lucas says or doesn't say about SW but what people take it to mean ie. EU should not affect the movies becomes EU is irrelevant, which isn't actually so!

    Also: How many people outside of boards like this do you think have even heard of DE? I'll tell you: Not many. DE is a comic continuation of a popular story, it's a niche of a niche. So when in an interview for a film mag read by the general public and asked for his view of SW, yes, Lucas will say it is the 6 films he has done. It ends, as far as he is concerned, with the defeat of the Empire at Endor and Anakin's redemption. Note that this does not actually bar anyone else from continuing the story, with the most radical of ideas getting approval from Lucas. This view does not commit him to ending the EU in any way, it allows him to have the best of both worlds in fact!

    DE is canon in the same way that NJO is: Love it or loathe it, it's hard to navigate around! ;)

    JB
     
  24. Darth_Hydra

    Darth_Hydra Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    DE is most definitely canon. There's a small reference to it in the beginning of Jedi Search. Not to mention Leia is pregnant with Anakin Solo during DE1 and gives birth in DE2.
     
  25. Jango_Fettish

    Jango_Fettish Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. I dont get what you're saying...o_O
     
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