Speculation Is Disney Capable of Learning the Lessons of John Carter and Phantom Menace?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Jabbadabbado, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    1. Big epic scale visual effects in 3D is not what drives people to theaters.

    2. Do not hang the success of your sci fi/fantasy epic on the shoulders of a child actor

    3. Do not pander to small children with cute for cuteness sake. Cute can misfire. It can be annoying. It can be jarring. It can be jar-jarring.

    4. Story matters.

    5. Having characters that people can like and relate to matters

    6. Find a writer with a sense of humor.

    7. Give your actors room to act. Collaborate with them in the acting process.

    8. Don't have the same guy who oversees the budget, the licensing, the merchandising also oversee the creative process.

    Anything else?
  2. G-FETT Chosen One

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    Time has not softened your attitude to The Phantom Menace then Jabba?

    Shall we have a bust up and pretend its 2002 again? [face_laugh]
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  3. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Capable? Certainly.

    Whether they have or not is another question entirely.
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  4. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    The main lesson of John Carter is "spend more than $5 in marketing efforts for your movie".
  5. Rox Administrator Emeritus

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    I agree with JoinTheSchwarz, I think the downfall of John Carter was the mess of a marketing campaign. It was a solid movie with terrible advertising making it out to be a completely different movie than it was. Heck I don't remember seeing more than a handful of tv commercials.
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  6. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    9. You can't make people like or relate to anybody.
  7. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    I think they should just avoid the 3d.


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  8. ezekiel22x Force Ghost

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    Avatar bombed because people don't want to see big 3D special effects adventures.
  9. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    Avatar bombed?
  10. Spazmatron Jedi Master

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    I think he was joking
  11. LawJedi Force Ghost

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    The point is that Disney won't be making these decisions, any more than they were making decisions on Avengers. That was Marvel Studios, Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon.
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  12. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    Like Titanic, Avatar succeeded because it was a character-driven piece that just happened to have a backdrop requiring a massive visual effects budget. This is why Cameron would be perfect for Star Wars.
  13. Miana Kenobi Costuming & Props Mod - Retired Admin

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    I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

    There's a big difference in filming in 3D, focusing your time, efforts, and money to make those CGI effects look breathtaking and amazing in both 2D and 3D, and doing a post-conversion to 3D. Heck some of the films that were shot in 3D (like Pirates 4) really didn't need to be. Unless the 3D is part of the movie (like Avatar), then it's just the movie studio wanting more money.
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  14. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    Oh, sorry. It's hard to read sarcasm!
  15. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    I thought everyone agreed that the last thing we need is a new Star Wars trilogy modeled on the prequels.
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  16. Healer_Leona Manager Emeritus

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    Avengers much?

    Plus, wtf was wrong with TPM? <3 :p
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  17. Darth Tunes SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    I remember seeing a ton of bus ads for John Carter. :p
  18. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    The prequels and the original trilogy have the exact same formula. The last thing we need is some short-sighted conscious effort to make them the anti-Prequels.
  19. GargantuanThrillMachine Jedi Master

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  20. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    Yeah? I'll bet that's all it said. "John Carter" which frankly sounds like a movie about a football player or something.
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  21. Rodimus1980 Jedi Grand Master

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    I would say that "The Avengers" proves Disney can do this.
  22. Norminator Jedi Master

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    Pretty much all those issues were remedied when Lucas stepped down.
  23. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    My take is John Carter failed because it was so bad it was impossible to tell apart from a Star Wars prequel. I know Disney has fired some of the people responsible for John Carter, and that's a good thing. My concern with Lucasfilm is that they're still too steeped in the corporate culture created by GL to make anything that's really better than Red Tails or TPM.

    As much as I didn't love Avengers, if there were any way to put Star Wars into the hands of the Marvel unit, I would do that. I think the Marvel folks could make an incredible Star Wars movie. Keep ILM and the technical stuff. But Lucasfilm needs to be torched.
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  24. Darth Tunes SfC Commish on an "All-Star" break

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    What was your big issue against The Avengers (that I presume you wouldn't want to see in E7)?
  25. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    Yeah? And maybe Batman would make a great Jedi!/sarcasm