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Speculation Is Disney Capable of Learning the Lessons of John Carter and Phantom Menace?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Jabbadabbado, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    1. Big epic scale visual effects in 3D is not what drives people to theaters.

    2. Do not hang the success of your sci fi/fantasy epic on the shoulders of a child actor

    3. Do not pander to small children with cute for cuteness sake. Cute can misfire. It can be annoying. It can be jarring. It can be jar-jarring.

    4. Story matters.

    5. Having characters that people can like and relate to matters

    6. Find a writer with a sense of humor.

    7. Give your actors room to act. Collaborate with them in the acting process.

    8. Don't have the same guy who oversees the budget, the licensing, the merchandising also oversee the creative process.

    Anything else?
     
  2. G-FETT

    G-FETT Force Ghost star 7

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    Time has not softened your attitude to The Phantom Menace then Jabba?

    Shall we have a bust up and pretend its 2002 again? [face_laugh]
     
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  3. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Capable? Certainly.

    Whether they have or not is another question entirely.
     
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  4. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    The main lesson of John Carter is "spend more than $5 in marketing efforts for your movie".
     
  5. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree with JoinTheSchwarz, I think the downfall of John Carter was the mess of a marketing campaign. It was a solid movie with terrible advertising making it out to be a completely different movie than it was. Heck I don't remember seeing more than a handful of tv commercials.
     
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  6. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    9. You can't make people like or relate to anybody.
     
  7. PrincessKenobi

    PrincessKenobi New Films Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I think they should just avoid the 3d.


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  8. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    Avatar bombed because people don't want to see big 3D special effects adventures.
     
  9. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Avatar bombed?
     
  10. Spazmatron

    Spazmatron Jedi Padawan star 3

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    I think he was joking
     
  11. LawJedi

    LawJedi Jedi Master star 4

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    The point is that Disney won't be making these decisions, any more than they were making decisions on Avengers. That was Marvel Studios, Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon.
     
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  12. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Like Titanic, Avatar succeeded because it was a character-driven piece that just happened to have a backdrop requiring a massive visual effects budget. This is why Cameron would be perfect for Star Wars.
     
  13. Miana Kenobi

    Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

    There's a big difference in filming in 3D, focusing your time, efforts, and money to make those CGI effects look breathtaking and amazing in both 2D and 3D, and doing a post-conversion to 3D. Heck some of the films that were shot in 3D (like Pirates 4) really didn't need to be. Unless the 3D is part of the movie (like Avatar), then it's just the movie studio wanting more money.
     
  14. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh, sorry. It's hard to read sarcasm!
     
  15. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I thought everyone agreed that the last thing we need is a new Star Wars trilogy modeled on the prequels.
     
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  16. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrely Community Mod star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Avengers much?

    Plus, wtf was wrong with TPM? <3 :p
     
  17. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I remember seeing a ton of bus ads for John Carter. :p
     
  18. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    The prequels and the original trilogy have the exact same formula. The last thing we need is some short-sighted conscious effort to make them the anti-Prequels.
     
  19. GargantuanThrillMachine

    GargantuanThrillMachine Jedi Youngling star 1

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    WHAT IS A JHON CARTER
     
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  20. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah? I'll bet that's all it said. "John Carter" which frankly sounds like a movie about a football player or something.
     
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  21. Rodimus1980

    Rodimus1980 Jedi Knight

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    I would say that "The Avengers" proves Disney can do this.
     
  22. Norminator

    Norminator Jedi Master star 2

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    Pretty much all those issues were remedied when Lucas stepped down.
     
  23. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My take is John Carter failed because it was so bad it was impossible to tell apart from a Star Wars prequel. I know Disney has fired some of the people responsible for John Carter, and that's a good thing. My concern with Lucasfilm is that they're still too steeped in the corporate culture created by GL to make anything that's really better than Red Tails or TPM.

    As much as I didn't love Avengers, if there were any way to put Star Wars into the hands of the Marvel unit, I would do that. I think the Marvel folks could make an incredible Star Wars movie. Keep ILM and the technical stuff. But Lucasfilm needs to be torched.
     
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  24. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    What was your big issue against The Avengers (that I presume you wouldn't want to see in E7)?
     
  25. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah? And maybe Batman would make a great Jedi!/sarcasm