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PT Is Ian's portrayal of Sidious a bit over the top after killing Windu?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Slowpokeking, May 15, 2013.

  1. ThatsNoPloKoon

    ThatsNoPloKoon Jedi Knight star 1

    Apr 24, 2013
    Yeah I think it's completely over the top in Palpatine's office. When he's going "I'm too weak. Ooo. Don't kill me." I just couldn't take it seriously. I mean are we supposed to think Anakin is an idiot for falling for such obvious play-acting? And then he's back to cackling about POWAH a second later. Would've preferred if he'd played it a little more subdued like he did in the rest of the prequels.
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  2. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 29, 2000

    This. He hates people so hard it makes his eyes change color and he's been keeping it bottled up for nearly 3 decades at this point at least...of course he's going to act ridiculous when he doesn't have to anymore.
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  3. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Knight star 4

    Jan 30, 2013

    I agree with that too. He is reveling in the fact that he can now unleash his true nature. I don't have a problem with it
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  4. Lumiyas_Head

    Lumiyas_Head Jedi Master star 2

    Jul 10, 2007
    Yes to the above.
    He's on the verge of fulfilling a millennia-old blood feud that will place him in a position of power unseen in galactic history...who wouldn't go a little over the top?
  5. Grievousdude

    Grievousdude Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 27, 2013
    I dont have a problem with it. If I was Sidious and I knew that I had just killed a very powerful enemy and won over the chosen one I'd be the same.
  6. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

    Nov 12, 2012
    I really don't see much difference, if anything, between third "Sith" act Sidious and the performance in ROTJ. He has a habit of cackling in evil glee. Guy ain't exactly subtle.
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  7. vypernight

    vypernight Jedi Knight star 3

    Nov 1, 2012
    WAY over the top, and I loved every minute of it! During his battle with Yoda, I half expected Sid to shoot lighting with his hand behind his back while cackling. As others have said, after all those years of playing nice, he finally got to be his usual *** self and he (both character and actor) were loving every second of it!
  8. Jedi General Gelderd

    Jedi General Gelderd Jedi Master star 5

    Mar 6, 2004
    I think it suits Palpatine very well, he's finally letting out all his frustrations, dreams and hopes as a Sith and doesn't have to hide or use false emotion anymore, he can do as he pleases, how he pleases.

    What I don't get, but I love watching every how OTT Palps goes when he blasts Mace... "No. No! No, you will die!"

    I've never heard or seen such excellent, hammy "No"-ing! :D
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  9. JediMasterKeno

    JediMasterKeno Jedi Master star 1

    Apr 22, 2000
    yeah after watching Revenge of the SIth alot, i really do think Ian really overdid it with his final senate duel speeches when fighting Windu. Yeah its the last time Ian to star as Palpatine. He just overdid it with the whole "No, no you will die!" it felt a little too cartoonish
  10. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jan 6, 2004
    Sidious, like Yoda, walks a fine line between being intimidating and comical. The more they do, the easier it is for them to come out looking like the latter. Sometimes less is more.
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  11. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 19, 1999
    He was over the top, but understandably so. :p
  12. Rachel_In_Red

    Rachel_In_Red Jedi Knight star 3

    May 12, 2013
    This makes sense, but I still think it was a little too much.
  13. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

    Feb 8, 2013
    Throughout the PT, there were only two characters who hadn't been completely ruined. The first was Obi-Wan Kenobi; the second was Palpatine.

    That is, until RotS. Palpatine was always cacklingly evil, but he was always perfectly sane and in complete control, and portraying him as bat-guano crazy undermined the character beyond repair.

    In a trilogy full of failures, this was one of the biggest.

    JEDI-RISING Force Ghost star 6

    Apr 15, 2005
    I think after Order 66 he could fully let the real Palpatine come out. I don't think he went around cackling day in and day out after that though.
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

    Sep 2, 2012
    Indeed. Getting "Drunk on the Dark Side" may help in a fight- but very little of Palpatine's life would involve fighting.
  16. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

    Apr 18, 2013
    Just like the OT really. The whole point is that the PT fills in all the major explanations that were left out of the OT. Their will be no movies to fill in all the details of the PT so you have to look to the books and the like just like before these things were where you found out the details of the OT.

    Of course the OT then had it's original explanations either overwritten by the PT completely or the basic concept was the same but expanded.

    I just watched III last night again. Totally marvelous. Sure I'd have loved to have a bit more with Yoda's thinking in terms of both his commune with Qui Gon and his reasons for not training the children in the Jedi way but that is more Yoda's story which is not the point of the movies anymore than all the machinations of Palpatine are. The movie's are about Anakin and sculpted to his point of view. If you went into all of the side stories with Yoda, the Jedi, Palpatine etc then you don't have 2h 15m movies you have to have LOTR 3h movies (or even more).

    Looking at the OT there is no doubt that reading the books and listening to the radio series makes the story better and deeper just as reading the PT novels and other books like Darth Plagueis do but that is such a miniscule part of the audience who will do that. The movies are movies and made as movies. It's like looking at the movies that were made from books. LOTR and Harry Potter for instance. Although in the reverse way book to movie as opposed to movie to book the actual effect is the same. The books can give a complete and detailed character and story depth that movies really can't.

    Not at all. He's been spending decades under the Palpatine mask and now he's coming out and having some "fun".

    Remember these are movies based in large part of the style of Saturday movie serials.
  17. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

    Apr 18, 2013
    Double post
  18. Emperor Von Schweetz

    Emperor Von Schweetz Jedi Youngling star 1

    Nov 12, 2012

    I'm pretty sure that that was intentional. He could see that Ani had a soft spot for those who were unarmed, so pleading would send Anakin over the edge.
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

    Sep 2, 2012
    Problem is- it was him that told Anakin it was OK to kill the unarmed Dooku.
  20. ThatsNoPloKoon

    ThatsNoPloKoon Jedi Knight star 1

    Apr 24, 2013
    What I mean is that it's so incredibly obvious Palpatine is play-acting. This is a Sith Lord we're talking about and Anakin literally just saw him shoot lightening at Windu with genuine menace. And two seconds later he's grovelling about how weak he is. Is Anaking that stupid that he would buy that?
  21. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

    Sep 2, 2012
    He's obsessed with saving Padme- so he's trying to come up with a justification for sparing Palpatine, that he thinks Mace will buy.
  22. Ananta Chetan

    Ananta Chetan Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Aug 11, 2013
    Exactly. Through some dark power he was able to manipulate and produce his grandfatherly appearance and soothing charismatic voice. There are a few windows when he drops the disguise, for example in ROTS when he commands Anakin to execute Dooku; "Do it!"
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  23. Beezer

    Beezer Jedi Master star 4

    Jul 5, 2013
    Can't really be all that cool if it wasn't worth including in the movie(s) in the first place. Fact is that 98% of these after-the-fact explanations are the works of EU authors, comic book writers, etc, attempting to explain things after-the-fact which they had no input on in the first place.
  24. Beezer

    Beezer Jedi Master star 4

    Jul 5, 2013
    I don't buy that. If that were the case, then why didn't he go back to "handsome" Palpatine when he next addressed the Senate?

    The movie makes it clear that he was deformed by his own Force Lightning. We're all free to interpret it however we want, but IMHO things that others say outside the movies are worthless. However, I don't have any problem with the fact that it didn't have an identical effect on Luke in E6.
  25. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Oct 23, 2003
    "The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed..." -His wrecked face served a greater purpose; it was "proof" that the Jedi tried to take over.
    Right. One force-power negated the other and it matters not that he did that to himself with an assist from Windu.
    To each his own, but its all Star Wars to me.... even the Holiday Special.;)
    Me either. Palpatine toyed with Luke until he told the boy that he was about to die and that's when he ramped up the barrage... Vader knew the difference in power, he'd seen it firsthand. He didn't act until the Emperor got serious with his assault.