PT Is it just me that strongly dislikes Mace Windu and thinks he is overrated as a Jedi?

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  1. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    Interestingly, Rogue Planet paints Mace as more relaxed than Yoda- and something of a jokester.
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  2. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    I hear he's pretty good at foot massages too. He don't be ticklin' or nuthin'...
  3. Master Jedi Macen Arren Jedi Master

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    He got thrown out of a window for that as well. What is it about him and windows, somebody should tell him it would be easier to use the door.
  4. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    When one starts making jokes about a character's death, that tells me that person doesn't like the latter. Does that mean if I dislike a character - say Yoda - I can tell a joke about his death?
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  5. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    Feel free.

    For the record, though, I'm pro Mace all the way, and if I absolutely, positively had to kill every Sith in the room, I'd accept no substitute.
  6. Major Smith Jedi Youngling

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    I'm a big fan of Mace Windu, I mean I've always liked him in the three films more so than Yoda for some reason. I know his duel with sidous is unpopular and if you look past his strategic failure on the whole mission he dueled very well.
  7. Darth_Arapsis Jedi Knight

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    Then he went out like a punk.
  8. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    Strategy is what makes up most of how you duel a person though.
  9. Major Smith Jedi Youngling

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    I meant the grand Strategy of deciding to go the the Chancellor and arrest him rather than try something Alternative.
  10. Sarge Chosen One

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    Tactics is how you duel a person. Strategy is deciding who to duel, and when and where and why.
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  11. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    When 900 years old one reaches, runs out, Medicare on Dagobah does.

    I love Mace as I've said but the window joke was damn funny. I'd bet Samuel L. Jackson would laugh at it.
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  12. Darth Dominikkus Jedi Grand Master

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    I'd also say your strategy is part of how you duel as well though. Tactics are a part of it, like you said, but your strategy is what births your tactics.
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  13. Darth Eddie Jedi Grand Master

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    I have long held the believe that Samuel L Jackson's acting career is semi-autobiographical. IE; he quit being a hitman to wander the earth and go on adventures, defending planes from snakes and such before finding a portal to the GFFA, become a Jedi master and surviving his epic duel with Sidious, albeit without his eye, whereupon he returns to earth to become Nick Fury, Director of SHIELD, until he is forced to retire into hiding as an LAPD officer who harrasses his neighbor until his tragic demise.
  14. Cryogenic Force Ghost

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration
  15. sith_rhino Jedi Grand Master

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    That is the way I read it, also.
  16. Loupgarou Jedi Grand Master

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    It's not that i don't like the character, but i interpret him differently than most. I think he's as close to a Sith as any non-fallen Jedi. Although everything he does is for what he sees as the good of the galaxy, he seems to believe that the power given to him through the force makes him a greater authority than he deserves to be. His encroachment in political affairs and integration of the Jedi Order into the Republic war machine play right into Sidious's hands. He's militaristic and, if we want to bring EU into this, utilizes a fighting style that requires one to enjoy combat on some level. That doesn't sound much like a Jedi to me. I can imagine a What If? type story with Mace executing Sidious, and slowly turning the Republic into a theocracy following his aggressive view on the Force; The Jedi Empire.
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  17. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I wouldn't take it that far. I definitely think that if he had been able to execute Sidious, he and Yoda would have taken over the Republic for awhile, but I don't think Mace would have enjoyed that kind of power and would have been ready to relinquish it as soon as possible.

    Aggressive, sure. But I think that he always had enough control to stop himself before he delved into the Dark Side, which is why he was the only one capable of mastering Vaapad. He taught it to Depa Billaba but then she turned--not due to Vaapad itself but due to the war.
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  18. Revanfan1 Force Ghost

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    I love that Jango's like "aw, crud" and Boba's like "Oh, CRUD, that's-a-lightsaber!" I've never really focused on Logan in that picture but his surprised expression is probably his best acting performance in the entire movie. [face_whistling]
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  20. Aegon Starcaster Jedi Master

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    Mace was great in Unshatterable

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    :p
  21. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Okay, this is just too damn much. Mace is closer to a Sith than any other non-fallen Jedi? I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this. I see the influence of personal preference in this statement, not a clear and objective view. What is it about the Mace Windu character that causes so many STAR WARS fans to come up with some ludicrous ideas about him?

    Mace closer to being a Sith than any of the other Jedi, aside from Anakin and Dooku? Between the end of the Battle of Naboo and the moment the Jedi Council had learned of a connection between Sidious and someone in Palpatine's circle, Mace had been firm in the idea that Anakin was the Chosen One.

    Was the scene in which Mace had to put Anakin in his place in ROTS, the reason why so many fans have expressed hostility or created such lame ideas about him? What? They don't think he had the right to admonish Anakin? Here are some other theories:

    *Mace wasn't that strong in the Force, but was a skilled warrior

    *Mace could have never defeated Palpatine on his own (Yet according to LucasFilm; he, Yoda and Anakin were the only ones powerful enough to defeat Palpatine).

    *Mace liked to tap into the Dark Side, in compare to other Jedi Knights (we come back to the Mace being closer to being a Sith idea).

    *Mace was responsible for Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, because he ordered Anakin to remain at the Temple during the attempt to arrest Palpatine. :rolleyes:

    *Mace was the one who had erased the Kamino files from the Jedi Archives and was, therefore, the Jedi traitor (this dumb theory popped up after AOTC was released)

    *Mace's purple lightsaber represented his light and dark side. Actually, the color purple represents royalty. However, I do wonder what had represented Obi-Wan or Yoda's light and dark sides. Interesting that no one is willing to consider this.

    What on earth is this stream of negativity directed toward Mace Windu by so many SW fans? Why do they seem to dislike him so much? Many act as if he had no business being a Jedi Master. Is it because many fans didn't like the idea of Samuel L. Jackson in one of science-fiction's biggest sagas? Is that it?
  22. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    lol you so mad.

    How is suggesting Mace is as close to a Sith as any non-fallen Jedi a "stream of negativity"? How is that statement negative in any way? Is saying Luke was close to the dark side in ROTJ negative, too? No, it's just fact.

    When did that person say he disliked Mace? He even pointed out "it's not that I don't like the character".

    Mace going down a dark path isn't ludicrous at all. His personality changes dramatically over the course of the prequels. He's strikingly stoic in TPM, laughing off the idea of Dooku arranging an assassination at the beginning of AOTC and extremely agitated throughout ROTS. Is this immaterial? Did Lucas just say "Do whatever you want, Sam. Put on your Sam Jackson attitude." Maybe.

    I had a couple paragraphs typed up, but I know it's a waste of page space. In the end, Mace made the exact opposite choice that Luke made at the end of ROTJ. What does that say?
  23. VanishingReality Jedi Grand Master

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    From what I've seen the Jedi Council in general (Mace, Obi-wan and Yoda) have a chance of being considered the villains of the story by those sympathetic to Anakin. (And their treatment of Ahsoka in TCW did not help).

    I didn't know that Mace Windu was encroaching on political affairs. I thought the opposite, that he was extremely wary of the Senate and wanted the Jedi Order to remain as separate from the Republic's warmongering as possible.
  24. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I'm sympathetic to Anakin. But there's a difference between being sympathetic to him and thinking that he should have been allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted at any time with no admonishment from the Council. Hating every character who ever scolded my favorite character or didn't think he was The Galaxy's Most Awesome, goes beyond sympathetic.

    I had no problem with the way they treated Ahsoka either; they were following procedure and they apologized in the end.
  25. Loupgarou Jedi Grand Master

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    I actually like Samuel L. Jackson, and much of what I said was speculative, based on impressions from both the movies and EU. I don't think he's evil at all, but I think he represents what led the Jedi astray. It could of even been intentional, but half of being a star wars fan is reading way too into things.
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