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Census Is it ok to punch fascists in or around their face?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ender Sai, Feb 2, 2017.

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can - and indeed, *should*, you punch a fascist in their face?

  1. Yes, it's a proud tradition

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  2. I'M NOT RACIST BUT no I think it's infringing free speech, violence isn't the answer, etc

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  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Ostracize them and drive them underground where they belong, away from polite society.

    Then when they themselves commit violent acts, which they are always likely to do, make a better use of our for-profit prison system than we are currently doing, and throw them in it.
     
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  2. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 7

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    That sounds an awful lot like Eloi speak...
     
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  3. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Dammit, Ender, why couldn’t you have a Sterling Archer avatar right now? Then you and Gez arguing woulda been perfect, PERFECT!
     
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  4. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well the trouble with that argument is it can get easily exploited , for instance USA has gone to war more than once with the argument that they were stopping a tyranical regime and they've made a right mess in the middle east as a result .
    And its getting bandied about again now with N. Korea .

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  5. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Is it that you have not understood the point of what I'm saying, or that you are merely deaf and blind to history?

    At what point is liberalism's tolerance repaid with kindness by radical ideologies such as religious fundamentalism or fascism?

    Say the fascists win in a country with a notional respect for liberalism and a strong attraction to the violent machismo, social conservatism, and structured racism of fascism. Like, I don't know... um... America. Will the tolerant liberals be vindicated or beaten silly?

    Will in fact there be any value, excepting something akin to "manners are their own reward", for when the liberal tolerance is drowned out by the sound of jackboots marching in perfect unison?

    You understand that fascism represents a very real threat to the liberal democratic tradition, right? By its nature it is designed to exploit liberalism from within, weaken it, and replace it. Anything from common sense to jus bellum iustum requires a swift and effective response, which no is not the turning of other cheeks.

    Honestly it's like you have no idea what happened to countries that went fascist. Probably because you live in one that flirts with its perimeters every decade.

    Please, nobody of adult level intelligence believed they were stopping tyranny. That just plays to their domestic audience.
     
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  6. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    You people are sucking all the joy out of this thread.
     
  7. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    [​IMG]
     
  8. Dread Pirate Roberts

    Dread Pirate Roberts Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Ender you literally started this thread because Richard Spencer was punched in the face. Now you are trying to spin it as some big metaphor for how liberalism shouldn’t tolerate fascism on a global-political scale.

    @Sarge sorry for ruining the fun, I just can’t resist the debate with this mighty Goliath.
     
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  9. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    I'm not trying to spin it. I think fascists should be punched in the face. I think liberals getting squeamish about fash bashing are ignorant of history, and it's the duty of good people everywhere to punch fascists in - or around - their fascist faces.
     
  10. Dread Pirate Roberts

    Dread Pirate Roberts Jedi Padawan star 2

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  11. The Krynoid Man

    The Krynoid Man Jedi Knight star 3

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    I just don't understand how punching them in the face is going to solve anything. It's not going to make them not be fascists anymore, if anything it's going to make them more determined to get their way and just give them an excuse to be even more violent in retaliation.
     
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  12. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    It worked during the Second World War.
     
  13. The Krynoid Man

    The Krynoid Man Jedi Knight star 3

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    Because we were at war with a fascist nation trying to take over Europe. That doesn't apply to the current political situation.
     
  14. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Yes it does.

    Back to the joy of gifs

    [​IMG]
     
  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Actually it kind of does. Neo-Nazis are trying to force themselves into the mainstream and take over political discourse in the United States, and they have had some success, with the President referring to them as potentially “very fine people.”

    Not an exact parallel but it does not need to be.
     
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  16. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Or to drive them underground where they're afraid to show their faces. Are you actually stupid enough to believe we didn't have these people around from 1945 until recently?
     
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  17. The Krynoid Man

    The Krynoid Man Jedi Knight star 3

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    Of course I know these people have been around since 1945. There have always been fascists, and there probably always will be.
     
  18. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    The point is...Ender is right. They need to be ostracized, not mainstreamed, and not accepted in any way.
     
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  19. slidewhistle

    slidewhistle Jedi Knight star 3

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    or you could do an escape room with them
     
  20. starfish

    starfish Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And there will always be people to punch them
     
  21. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    So why is it you think they're prominent now?
     
  22. The Krynoid Man

    The Krynoid Man Jedi Knight star 3

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    And my point is you don't need to use violence to do that.

    I never said they were. Maybe they get more attention now due to online media, but I don't think they are any more prominent than they have been since the end of the war (as in, they are there but nowhere near the mainstream).
     
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  23. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    They are being referred to as “very fine people” by the President of the United States, so yeah, they are nearer to the mainstream than they have been in decades.
     
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  24. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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  25. Cynda

    Cynda Jedi Knight star 3

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