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Lit Is it possible for books to retcon things from TCW?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Iron_lord, Aug 25, 2013.

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  1. Solent

    Solent Jedi Master star 2

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    Does it? Do you really expect Chewie got killed offmoviescreen? Just for starters.

    I´m in doubt whether they´ll just sweep everything post RotJ under the rug (considering the way things have gone after NJO, it´s kind of a mercy kill) or they´ll pull a Crisis on Infinite Earths retcon and alter the timeline to reflect the ST continuity.
     
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  2. Solent

    Solent Jedi Master star 2

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    Lost battle even IRL, I´m afraid. But going from that to calling her a hooker? NO. We can do without that mentality.
     
  3. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yup

    So maybe we could say: TCW was like "Anakin had a Padawan!" and the EU/fans were like "Nah, he just had a bad dream."
     
  4. Jedifirefly5

    Jedifirefly5 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Do you KNOW any 13 YO's? That is what THEY like.
     
  5. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Lucas was like "The Sith were founded 2000 years ago!" and the EU was like "Nah, the Sith were just reunited 2000 years ago."
     
  6. Lazy Storm Trooper

    Lazy Storm Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    The EU doesn't give a **** is my option on the subject. Something contradicts something else. Just recton it.
     
  7. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Far as I'm concerned, we came up with fun solutions in that L-Canon thread a bit back, providing at least some kind of (fanon, of course) answer for almost every major contradiction.

    Other issues were generally addressed by the EU and source books already, and will probably be further dealt with in the future.

    Episode VII is when the 'real' fun begins.
     
  8. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I think it's problematic to view the EU as a single entity vis-a-vis TCW. All are individual works, TCW just happened to be much longer than most EU works. Other EU stuff have done similar damage, especially the lengthier stuff. Maybe TCW has shown more disregard for the concept of canon, but there's a few writers that are the same way...
    And the canon levels are the biggest load of baloney ever and mean very little, except when TPTB arbitrarily feel the need to enforce some obscure statement by Lucas.
     
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  9. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Big fan of this misspelling.
     
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  10. hlc88

    hlc88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am fully expecting the post ROTJ EU to be no longer canon. If they have the children of Han, Leia and Luke as major characters and they are not Jacen, Jaina, Anakin or Ben then you know for certain the post ROTJ EU is history.

    As far as I am concerned TCW is considered to be of higher authority over the EU I believe so anything that TCW changes that is canon, however the EU still has the ability to look at things differently and twist things.
     
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  11. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    To be fair, that all depends on what the age of consent is for Togrutas in the Republic.
     
  12. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    It already has, hasn't it? Mortis comes to mind.
     
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  13. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Technicalities of the canon system aside, what really matters is what future sources reference.
     
  14. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    So if we stop making references to he-who-we-will-not-reference-to he will stop to exist or at least matter!
     
  15. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The canon system is all powerful, and the canon system dictates that C-Canon cannot contradict T-Canon.

    It isn't allowed.

    As such, every time C-canon contradicts an element of TCW, by the very act of its contradiction it reveals that particular element can't really have been T-Canon after all, and thus C-canon takes precedence.

    [face_batting][face_mischief]
     
  16. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yes they can, and they should.
     
  17. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    No, they shouldn't.

    Because the TCW fans are more numerous than the novel fans, every bit as much Star Wars fans as the rest of us, and the majority rules.
     
  18. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    Thanks for all the evidence to back up your information.
     
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  19. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    The series averaged three million viewers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(2008_TV_series)#Reception

    And basically, a lot of novel fans say their fans "don't count."

    There's a shortpacked comic that describes us all in ten years. Shortpacked can get a little bitter like Penny Arcade so fair warning but here's the link which summarizes my opinions completely.

    http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-09-26-math.png
     
  20. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    ^Still not enough evidence.
     
  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Thank you, Club Jade.

    http://clubjade.net/?p=12874

    In Adult Hardcovers:
    • Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Sean Williams, 103,232
    • Star Wars: The Clone Wars by Karen Traviss, 101,146
    • Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Invincible, Troy Denning, 101,034
    And in New Children’s paperback:
    • Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Tracey West, 190,700
    • Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Battle at Teth, Kirsten Mayer, 186,282
    • Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The New Padawan, Eric Stevens, 152,661
    • Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Intergalactic Adventure: Activity Book, no author listed, 119,621
    • Star Wars Fandex, Christopher Cerasi, 103,191
    In short, The Clone Warskids books sold significantly more copies than the adult books. Behold, the power of a theatrical release…

    But on average, the "adult" Star Wars books were outviewed THIRTY TIMES by the cartoon.
     
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  22. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    I find it funny how you chose some of the worst EU books as examples.
     
  23. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Is there a point there?

    If you want to say, "I don't think the Clone War should be canon because I hate it." Go ahead.

    Just fans need to realize it's not small, not going away, and not hated by the public at large.

    No, it's the next generation of fandom.
     
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  24. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    I'm sure you'll find better books will sell better. Plus- TCW books are for kids, while the EU has a more adult audience. Take that as you wish.
     
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  25. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Star Wars is for kids.
    Star Wars is for kids. It's just adults can enjoy it too.

    Like I said, The Clone Wars is huge. It's a part of Star Wars fandom.

    And it's a GOOD THING.
     
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