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ST Is it still Star Wars if it is not in line with the vision of Lucas?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by ray243, Jun 5, 2014.

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  1. ray243

    ray243 Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    While we have move to a post-Lucas age in regards to who actually owns the intellectual property of Star Wars, it seems like the ST will still be largely based on the vision and stories provided by Lucas. But Lucas won't be around to keep giving Lucasfilm stories all the time, and eventually LFL would have to start telling their own stories.

    However, what happens if Lucas came up and said that the new films produced by LFL is not in line with what he had in mind in regards to the universe of Star Wars? What happens if the new films is not considered as "true" Star Wars film by Lucas himself?

    Should fans side with Lucas because he was the person who created the world or should fans side with Disney who have legal rights to the intellectual property? Would you stop following Star Wars if Lucas argued that you aren't really watching a new Star Wars movie based on his vision?

    After all, not all fantasy and sci-fi universe "survive" their creators, with new derivative works often ended up being viewed as "Franchise"-in-name-only.
     
  2. KeithyT

    KeithyT Jedi Knight star 2

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    Isn't this what happened with the Star Wars: Clone Wars micro series. Some of the characters (and plotlines?) created by Tartakovsky and his team have been kind of brushed aside.

    I love this series and how it all carefully tied exactly to the opening of ROTS so if Lucas disowns something, it doesn't mean we have to.
     
  3. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 5

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    If this somehow turns out to be the best Star Wars movie yet, I suspect a lot of people will be saying, "Star Wars is dead. Long live Star Wars!"

    And that is meant as absolutely no disrespect to GL. I've little doubt he will approve if JJ does the saga justice.
     
  4. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

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    The OT wasn't what Lucas originally wanted either but a compromise between him and others. Is it not Star Wars?
     
  5. Young Yoda

    Young Yoda Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't see the point. By selling Lucasfilm, George himself has decided to let other people do their own Star Wars movies and TV series, without his approval (except for his treatments for the new trilogy which must be respected).

    That's what he wanted, so I don't understand how refusing that would be "siding with Lucas". And I'm sure he will never bash the future films, whether he likes them or not (he never bashed the EU although it was very different from his vision).
     
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  6. ray243

    ray243 Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well, in the end George still calls them Star Wars.

    I'm talking about what happen IF he refuse to acknowledge future films beyond 7,8 and 9 as Star Wars in any form.

    The issue with the EU led to situation whereby the movies and TCW ended up giving us a situation whereby the movies have a higher canon status than everything else.

    In a way, the EU has already been viewed by Lucas as not "true" Star Wars. This issue of whether the new works based on the franchise is "true" or not has already divided many fanbase in other franchise, like Star Trek and Battlestar. Would we see something like this happening again, whereby a divided fanbase began to influence the people's view of the franchise?
     
  7. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    I doubt George will care that much to be honest. He's sold his baby over to people he trusts and I bet he's probably quite relieved. KK was handpicked by the flanelled one because he trusts her and it feels like he's given his blessing to the new team. I can't see them strain too wildly from what makes SW SW anyway.
     
  8. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

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    Or from a certain point of view is it Lucas' vision which is no longer Star Wars? There being 4 billion reasons why. :p;)
     
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  9. Young Yoda

    Young Yoda Jedi Knight star 1

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    I see what you mean, but he didn't say the EU were not "true Star Wars". He used to say it was not "his" Star Wars.

    This quote resumes his vision :

    So I don't think he will ever contest the legitimacy of a new Star Wars movie. Maybe it will not be part of his world, but he already accepted the legitimacy of other visions.
     
  10. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    His "vision" changed all the time anyway.

    If I like the movies, I like the movies. Lucas' opinion of them has no bearing on that.
     
  11. Dameron

    Dameron Jedi Master star 4

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    When Lucas sold the franchise, he also sold his right to determine what is and is not Star Wars.

    I also don't care to listen to any further "Dumbledore is gay" type revelations of Star Wars "reality" that never made the films and live only in Lucas' head. If he chose not to put it in the films from the beginning, and he gave himself a do-over and still didn't put it in the films, well it's not part of the saga.
     
  12. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    George will never come out & say EP7 is not his vision cause $4.05 billion says so......
     
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  13. SimitarLikeTusk

    SimitarLikeTusk Jedi Knight star 3

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    Are fanboys under a bizarre illusion Lucas singlehandedly made Star Wars, rather than being a tiny cog in a sea of many people's contributions? He deserves plenty credit, but hes no infallible fully contributive God
     
  14. Zuckuss the Ruckuss

    Zuckuss the Ruckuss Jedi Master star 4

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    The framework for Star Wars will always be there. Therefore his vision will always be apart of it. The same can be said for Ralph Mcquarrie, John Williams etc.

    Those dudes built the sandbox. The only difference is that people get to play in it now.
     
  15. Fjw1970

    Fjw1970 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    IMO Lucas has no say in what Is Star Wars anymore.
     
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  16. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    In regard to the original post... I don't really think Lucas would comment on that. I think he will be quick to praise and slow to criticise... I'd imagine he would be pragmatic about his views on Star Wars beyond the OT and PT.

    I think that kind of misses the point by a country mile. He's a 'cog' as much as Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, JK Rowling, Lennon & McCartney, Walt Disney etc. are 'cogs'. If they are mere 'cogs' what does that make you?
     
  17. Julian Skywalker-Solo

    Julian Skywalker-Solo Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I don't care what Lucas thinks. I'll like what I like and enjoy it.
     
  18. JediKnightWax

    JediKnightWax Jedi Master star 4

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    The George today is not the same George that made the Original Trilogy. People change. It will take fans to continue George's original vision.
     
  19. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Fans are the worst kind of person to continue any 'vision' because by their very nature, they are biased and not that embracing of change. It's more to do with understanding that 'vision', or concept, and moving it forward in a way that's aligned to those original core values/ideas. That requires some degree of separation, pragmatism, impartially and objectivity... something that 'fans', with the best will in the world, don't often bring to the table.
     
  20. JediKnightWax

    JediKnightWax Jedi Master star 4

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    EP 7 is going to flop then because JJ is a big Star Wars fan.
     
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  21. DarthWilliams

    DarthWilliams Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yep. While it will always sort of be "his," his selling of the franchise indicates that he's closed the book on his vision and it's up to other people to decide what Star Wars is moving forward.
     
  22. jedijax

    jedijax Force Ghost star 6

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    We'll never know if the ST is in line with Lucas' vision. I think that JJ/LK's script re-write is still within Lucas' general vision, but just a different interpretation from Arndt's.
     
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  23. Sum-Wan

    Sum-Wan Jedi Master star 4

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    Disney and LFL dictate what true Star Wars is now. If Lucas ever says that something that happens in a new movie is not as he envisioned, it will just be an opinion, and I doubt he would criticize.
    Besides, it is likely that he will remain as consultant for any future Star Wars material for as long as he lives.
     
  24. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Firstly... commercial success is not in doubt... it's a new Star Wars film.

    Secondly, we don't know what Ep VII will be like. It could be good it could be bad. If it's anything like the new Star Trek, I think the franchise would be dead within 5 years... is anyone really that interested in seeing a new Star Trek film? I know I'm not and I like Star Trek.

    Thirdly, you'd have to define what 'fan' is? Someone who liked the movies when they were a kid and had all the toys? Or someone who is still obsessed by SW even though they are a functioning adult? I'd say JJ is the later.
     
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  25. DarthWilliams

    DarthWilliams Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Aren't those two statements contradictory? I think SW will always have a fan base and even if Episode VII sucks, the franchise isn't going anywhere.
     
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