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Is Leia REALLY Anakin's daughter?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by RowenaCon1, Apr 27, 2003.

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  1. RowenaCon1

    RowenaCon1 Jedi Youngling

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    First of all George Lucas based part of Star Wars on Greek mythology. One of the stories in Greek mythology is that of Hercules. Hercules' had a twin brother, BUT they had different fathers. Hercule's father was Zeus while his brother's father was their mother's husband. You with me? So here's my theory: Leia could possibly be OBI-WAN'S daughter. Here are my reasons... When Anakin turns to the dark side, Padme will want to find comfort in someone else. Why not let it be the one who first came to be her bodyguard? The one who would be closest to Anakin and therefore, closest to Padme? Surely Obi-Wan would be the first to find out about their marriage. He'd have to keep it secret too. And why is it that Obi-Wan must watch over Luke? Did Padme ask him to? Maybe to keep him away from the daughter he'll never know? And Vader doesn't act to suprised when he finds out he has a daughter. He says "A sister!... Maybe she'll join with me!" (Or something like that.) He never says that she should join him BECAUSE he's her father. I think that somewhere in there Padme had an affair with Obi-Wan and Leia is truly Obi-Wan's daughter.
     
  2. IG_88a

    IG_88a Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I find that highly unlikely, after all George has some morals, he wouldn't add an elimant of Adultary to the SW saga.
    secondly, Leia either through the twins bond or the force felt the predicament luke was in at the bottom of bespin, a half sister would not of been able to do this.
    and lastly as stated in the previous paragraph, Leia was lukes twin sister, notice the word TWIN, they are the same age, same father and mother and conceived within minutes of each other. If Obi Wan was her father, there would of been a larger age gap between Luke and Leia, and they wouldn't be TWINS. was it Yoda or Obiwan on Dagobah that first mentioned to Luke that he had a Twin Sister?
     
  3. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "And Vader doesn't act to suprised when he finds out he has a daughter. He says "A sister!... Maybe she'll join with me!" (Or something like that.)"

    After being surprised with a son he never knew of, why should a daughter freak him out. It's not like he really figured out who she was, or at least never speaks her name in ROTJ.

    "He never says that she should join him BECAUSE he's her father."

    He already gave the old "father-son" chat to Luke. Why repeat this to him again? Had he been speaking to Leia, it probably would have come up. Besides, Anakin was just trying to goad Luke into showing himself, and it worked. You're reading too much into this line.

    "I think that somewhere in there Padme had an affair with Obi-Wan and Leia is truly Obi-Wan's daughter."

    But everything we've heard or read about Luke and Leia talks about them being twins. Luke takes after Anakin, and Leia takes after Padme. While what you propose certainly isn't impossible, it's extremely unnecessary to the story. There are many more important issues to be tackled before this sort of twist would even be considered.

    Besides, how would anyone even know whose child is whose? Do you think they are going to have paternity tests in Ep.III?

    As it stands right now, the Clone Wars are happening in "real time" as we speak. Padme will already be pregnant at the beginning of Ep.III. Whatever issues may arise between Padme and Anakin will occur after she is pregnant, so you are assuming that Obi-wan will sleep with a pregnant chick, knowingly or otherwise, at which point he couldn't "knock her up" any more than she already is.

    I'm not sure why this theory keeps coming up, but it doesn't make any sense in light of what is known about Ep.III.
     
  4. Aunecah_Skywalker

    Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Knight star 5

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    Nice theory, RowenaCon1, and welcome to the boards btw, but I don't think it's very likely. Firstly, if Amidala hit it with Obi-Wan when Anakin turned, and Obi-Wan complied, it would be a serious mischaracterization of both characters. Secondly, even if it is true, it would be kind of sad that nobody ever finds out who Leia's true father is. Thirdly, Ben himself says to Luke that his "feelings serve [him] well" when Luke says Leia's his twin sister. I would have hoped Obi-Wan would say "No, Luke, Leia is your step twin sister (though that still gives you problems of incest)." 8-}

    Aunecah
     
  5. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "Leia either through the twins bond or the force felt the predicament luke was in at the bottom of bespin, a half sister would not of been able to do this."

    Not necessarily. Luke calling Leia was through the Force, but choosing to call her was due to their bond. However, this choosing would be further proof of their "twinness". ;)
     
  6. RowenaCon1

    RowenaCon1 Jedi Youngling

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    Seriously though, has ANYONE ever read the story of Hercules? Actually Ben didn't even know about Leia. He acted surprised when Yoda said "There is another." So maybe Padme did keep Leia from Obi-Wan. I mean, why would you want to pass up a young Obi-Wan Kenobie over an arrogant Anakin Skywalker? I mean, Padme's just silly NOT to want comfort from Obi-Wan. If midichlorians are possible, and if the force is possible, and if ghosts are possible in Lucas's world, why can't Obi-Wan be the father of Leia? Remember when Luke told Leia that she was his twin sister? Luke actually told her that his father was Vader BEFORE he told her that they were twins. She's all surprised that Vader is his father but when Luke tells her they are twins, she says, "I know, somehow, I've always known." Is Leia too clueless to realize that Vader is her father too? I mean if you just found out you had a twin brother whos father was the definition of evil wouldn't you realize that your father was the same as your brother's father? It's kind of sketchy if you ask me.
     
  7. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The way Vader says "Sister!", it does sound like surprise to me.

    I can't see Lucas making either Luke or Leia the product of anything apart from a loving (at the time) relationship, though.
     
  8. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "Seriously though, has ANYONE ever read the story of Hercules?"

    The real question is, "Has Lucas read Hercules?" If he hasn't, your theory is all for naught.

    "If midichlorians are possible, and if the force is possible, and if ghosts are possible in Lucas's world, why can't Obi-Wan be the father of Leia?"

    This is not proof. Otherwise, one could say "Why can't Obi-wan be the mother of Leia?" but your reasoning.

    "Is Leia too clueless to realize that Vader is her father too? I mean if you just found out you had a twin brother whos father was the definition of evil wouldn't you realize that your father was the same as your brother's father? It's kind of sketchy if you ask me."

    Or maybe she's too distraught by the fact that the most heinous man in the universe, whom by the way destroyed her "home planet", is actually her father? In case you missed it, Luke didn't take this news very well either. Leia's spent all of her life fighting Vader, and now finds out she's related to him. Did you notice she didn't even tell Han about this. "By the way, the guy that tortured you at Bespin is my dad."
     
  9. Aunecah_Skywalker

    Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Knight star 5

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    Not true - I don't care about Amidala, but Obi-Wan is a Jedi and he is NOT going to make the same mistakes as his apprentice. (Though he isn't marrying Amidala, I'm sure having children with her isn't exactly backed up by the Code. [face_plain])

    As far as Obi-Wan's surprise at Yoda's revelation goes - it could be interpreted several different ways. He always seemed to have thought that Luke was their only hope, so of course he is going to be surprised when Yoda says that there is another - namely, Leia.

    EDIT: On the issue of Leia's "surprise" - well, Luke is there, and he's talking to her. Did you see the look on Leia's face when he told her (indirectly as it may be) that Vader is her father? She's shocked - 1) she got a twin brother, and 2) she just learned that the person she's been fighting all along is her father. Of course she won't be giving a speech.

    Aunecah
     
  10. J-Solo

    J-Solo Jedi Master star 4

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    Hold on everybody. Haven't you seen ROTJ? After Vader says that "Sister" speech, he says, and I quote: "Obi-Wan was wise to have hidden her from me".

    I've heard this theory that "Obi wan didn't even know about Leia" before, but it doesn't sound right. Of course he knew about Luke and Leia. He most likely will be the guy who will take Leia to Alderaan and Luke with him to Tattoine, after whatever will happen in Episode III. It would be safer for them to be kept far apart, so Vader couldn't find them.

    Besides, Lucas has already confessed once that this "brother and sister thing" only came up while writing ROTJ. They needed something to make Luke angry and attack Vader, and suddenly they realize the answer was in front of them the whole time. I'm pretty sure I've seen an interview by Lucas and Kasdan about that.

    Now, of course it's "possible" that OB1 is Leia's father. But if you're going to think like that, hey, maybe he is Luke's father too, who knows? (I know it's absurd, but everything is "possible" if you start to think like that)
     
  11. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Leia is NOT Obi-wan's daughter because if she was, then Luke would be his son seeing as how Luke and Leia are twins and the legendary "I am your father" scene would become a complete garbage because Anakin/Vader will no longer be related to Luke since it is Obi-wan that made out with Padme instead of Anakin.

    Also, Obi-wan knew all along about Leia because he initiated her hiding place but he never considered her an option due to her volitile behavior and her attachment to Han Solo.
     
  12. DarthBane77

    DarthBane77 Jedi Master star 4

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    Obi-Wan did not. He would've been kicked out like Ani. He's not that stupid. And he doesn't do things like that. Otherwise, who is Kenobi? This is not a "certain point of view".
     
  13. Ret

    Ret Jedi Knight star 6

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    I'll keep it simple and say yes. :)
     
  14. DarthBane77

    DarthBane77 Jedi Master star 4

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    Jawas.......so simple. Gotta luv'em. But I still say no. :eek: :( :) :D :C :Z
     
  15. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    *cough* Tatooine Ghost *cough*

    ;) :)


    [hl=purple]Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day ;) [/hl]
     
  16. amien

    amien Jedi Youngling star 1

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    - It's true Star Wars is based on mythology, but that doesn't mean EVERY famous myth/story/tale/etc will influence the saga.

    - I must have seen a million theories stating how this particular classic tale will be the key to understand Ep III. They're usually really weird and based on proof that doesn't deserve that title.

    - Zeus is a god, and all the Greek gods and goddesses had weird relationships and offspring from all different sources, gods and humans alike. Why? I'm thinking because they're gods, and that's what they do. It really has no revelance to Star Wars. In fact, I would never even imagine a connection between Zeus' having children from different women, to Padme having Obi-Wan's love child. (At least some other theories make a connection.)

    - There is NO love triangle. GL has stated this, and there is no evidence of anything between Padme and Obi-Wan in the movies. They barely even share screentime together, and when they do, it's a professional relationship. Yes, they trust each other (although this is questionable, as Obi-Wan doesn't trust politicians) and may consider each other friends, but that's really it. Their relationship is through Anakin.

    - Going with your theory, Luke would have to have born already by the time Anakin has turned. So now Padme has an endangered son, fathered by her husband turned evil, and she's going to go have an affair with her husband's mentor? What about Obi-Wan, Padme, and Luke? Shouldn't they be in hiding? I'm going to assume they'll be in hiding together, which is a little dangerous, having Anakin's wife, his mentor, and his son together.

    - Consider the emotional state of Padme and Obi-Wan. They have both lost someone dear to them, the Jedi are being murdered, and the government is now an evil Empire being run by someone they helped bring into power. Do you really think Padme, who is most likely heartbroken, and a recent mother of her husband's child, is going to have a one night stand with her husband's mentor? And is Obi-Wan going to forsake his moral code to sleep with his padawan's wife? They're just not the kind of people who would turn to each other in desperate times for sex. Comfort, yes, but not an affair.

    - Luke and Leia are twins. This has been confirmed over and over.

    - I'm guessing you believe this theory to be possible, right? Well, how are they going to portray this in the movie? Anakin would have to turn in the beginning or at least the middle of the movie, giving enough time for Padme to give birth to Luke, and then have the affair with Obi-Wan, and then to be pregnant 9 months with Leia, and finally give birth to her. This would take up some time, especially if it's to be believable. Don't we want the majority of the story to go to Anakin's turn, the rise of the Empire, and the impact it has on the characters?

    - Besides, it has a PG rating. An affair and a child produced from this affair isn't appropriate. Also, before the PT, I never really considered that Anakin and his lover were married. Obviously, this is incorrect, because it's a PG movie and to make it "family friendly", the children would have to be born in wedlock.

    - It would diminish Obi-Wan, and Padme's characters.

    And that is my very long and drawn out reply. I'm sorry, but I've seen the "OBIWAN AND PADME HAVE AN AFFAIR!!!!" theory SO many times, and I figure I had to let it all out at once.
     
  17. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Let it all out, son. We've got you. You're safe with us. :)
     
  18. D_Lowe

    D_Lowe Jedi Knight star 6

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    Personally I disagree with this. Leia is Anakin's daughter. Obi-Wan will not have an affair with Padme. That's not his character. Obi-Wan plays by the rules. And the chances of that happening in a human are so slim.
     
  19. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    "Obi-Wan plays by the rules."

    Yoda: "You are reckless!!!"
    Ben: "So was I, if you remember." ;)
     
  20. RowenaCon1

    RowenaCon1 Jedi Youngling

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    hmmm... so far Obi-Wan hasn't done anything "reckless" in the prequels... So what could that mean?
     
  21. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    You forgot his arrogance at thinking he was ready for the trials, as well as thinking himself capable of training a padawan who was well past the appropriate age of training (a rule he breaks in the OT as well.)
     
  22. IG_88a

    IG_88a Jedi Padawan star 4

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    and also, he was taught by Qui-Gon, who wasn't always in the good graces of the council.
    wait a second, maybe Qui-Gon is leia's father!
     
  23. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Don't be silly! Qui-gon is definitely Leia's aunt. :p
     
  24. D_Lowe

    D_Lowe Jedi Knight star 6

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    Reckless is a little different then breaking a major Jedi rule. ;)
     
  25. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Which is worse?
     
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