Why is it amoral to kill people? From a religious perspective the answer is really unsatisfactory. Some god says you can't, therefore you can't. No explanation as to why. From a non-religious and atheistic point of view: because you wouldn't want someone to kill you, so you shouldn't kill others. Yes, this is true although a bit contrived. It is just primal survival instinct and is quite irrational, because after I'm dead, I'm dead. I don't care by then. I'm gone. I won't know. It would be the same as before I was conceived. Did I get happy that I was conceived? Did I ask for it? No. I didn't exist yet, so it didn't matter, it was irrelevant. I couldn't want something when I didn't exist. I just was. So the same way, after I'm dead I can't be hurt or sorry, because I no longer exist. So why does it matter? Sure I'll probably whine and say "PLEASE don't kill me", but after I'm dead I won't care either way because I don't exist anymore, so what difference does it make? The only reason I can think of that it would be amoral to kill me is because those who love and care about me will miss me and grieve. But they'll get over it. Besides, everyones dies sooner or later, it's the way of nature, everything is in constant change. So what if it's a little sooner? And besides, going by this logic it wouldn't be wrong for me to kill some homeless orphan on the street, because no one would miss him anyway so no harm done. I could just kill all the hobos. The only reason I can think of off the top of my head is, if we allow it, "everyone" are gonna be doing it, until we are in danger of bringing ourselves to extinction, which is counter-productive to the survival of our species, i.e. against the natural instinct of all organisms. On the other hand, when our species is extinct it won't care anymore either because it no longer exists. There's that silly survival instinct again, our brains sub-consciously telling us "You are very important!! You must reproduce and live on through your offspring!! You must ensure the survival of your species!!". In the grand scheme of the universe we're just a little speck on a needle in a haystack. Who notices? We're not as important as we deceive ourselves to be. But back to morals, unless the person has sentimental value to another person, I see no moral fault in killing them. So if I didn't know anybody, if I was living on my own in the woods like Tarzan and no one knew me, there would be nothing morally wrong with killing me. However if you kill me in an unnecessarily painful way, that would be cruel. Just as we think it is cruel to cause animals unnecessary harm when slaughtering them, but there's nothing inherently wrong in just ending their lives. What do you guys think? Do you think there is something inherently amoral about killing someone, except for the fact that you cause grief to their loved ones? Or do you agree with me that there is nothing inherently amoral in it, it's just dangerous to allow it because it endangers our species, and we want to retain our species just as we work to prevent species of dolphins to go extinct, to preserve genetic diversity - in other words, for sentimental purposes? And please don't just give me the "God says it's wrong so it's wrong" diatribe. Wormie can refrain from posting in this thread. I won't mind. ----------------- For the record: this thread is intended as a work in progress, meaning that I look forward to your input on the issue and am expecting that through the ideas that are put forward by others, my ideas and opinions will change and further develop.