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Saga Is Palps referring to Qui-Gon in the Opera? re Cheating Death

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by princethomas, Sep 27, 2011.

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  1. princethomas

    princethomas Jedi Master star 2

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    Watching ROTS on Blu Ray this weekend for the first time in several years. Something new stood out. When talking of the ONE person who has managed to figure out how to cheat death. There seems almost to be a bit of frustration from Palpatine. Could he be referring to Qui-Gon? Could he be aware of what the Q is doing behind the scenes. It would be interesting and would add more to that dynamic. It would also give a bit of a puzzle to the end of ROTJ when we can say, ding dong the Emp is dead...or is he?
     
  2. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Pretty sure he explicitly states it was Plagueis
     
  3. shanerjedi

    shanerjedi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He was referring to his master. It is ironic that Qui-Gon and the jedi are the ones to really figure out how to cheat death fully. However, Palps is talking about his own master.

     
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  4. princethomas

    princethomas Jedi Master star 2

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    Yeah, I guess that is right. I was thinking about it afterwards and didn't rewatch. I know he said Plagueis could stop OTHERS from dying. But then I got the Cheat Death line in my head as something that had to do with stop ones own death. Which Qui-Gon sort of does.
     
  5. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    The line about one person "cheating death" isn't from the opera scene, it's from the turn scene. And while the obvious implication to Anakin is that Palpatine is referring to Plagueis, it is stated in the EU that Plagueis was not the "one" who cheated death. It is still a reference to a Sith, not Qui-Gon.
     
  6. princethomas

    princethomas Jedi Master star 2

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    I went back. It is the just after the turn scene where he says it. He doesn't explicity say in that seen its Darth P but it clearly can be assumed. Moreso than anything else. My bad. Im sure there is a padawan lesson about overthinking something without rewatching first. Should have listened to the Midi-Cs talking to me.
     
  7. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What does cheating death mean? Does it mean living forever, like the philosopher's stone or the elves from LOTR, where your body never dies or ages and you're ageless, and don't die unless you get a sickness or somehow die of non-natural causes?

    What was Palpatine talking about? So vague.
     
  8. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

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    Not dying. If they die, they loose their power. And Sith are all about power.

    The Jedi didn't cheat death ("death is a natural part of life"). They die, but were able to find a way to retain their consciousness after death.
     
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  9. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's very sad that Anakin never gets to meet Padme in the end and they never reunite, since she was not a force sensitiv:_| e and cannot retain consciousness after death.
     
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  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    We don't know what happens after a Jedi "passes into the Dark netherworld of the Force" though. We know Qui-Gon came back, we see Anakin, Yoda, and Obi-Wan came back- but in the EU, Obi-Wan at least "passes on to the world beyond" after 9 years of helping Luke.

    Maybe there are ordinary people in "the world beyond". Even the EU doesn't say.
     
  11. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    What is "the world beyond"? No clue.
     
  12. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    In Heir to the Empire Obi Wan explains to Luke that he can't stay any longer- he must pass from this world to that which lies beyond- and he says farewell.
     
  13. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ehh. ROTS pretty well squashed that whole notion-Qui-Gon flat-out says Yoda will live forever. I understand Zahn did it mostly to keep from using magical Obi-Wan as a handy plot device, but you don't see it hurting TESB or ROTJ any that Ben knows everything :p
     
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  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    "Eternal life" doesn't necessarily mean "On this plane".
     
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  15. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not to mention that it's been long since contradicted in the EU in general. But..this isn't the EU forum. :p
     
  16. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    More recent books- like The Life & Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi, also have him "moving on".

    Whether or not Jedi in general have to- he chose to say that to Luke.
     
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  17. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

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    Probably to keep in line with the EU, not the movies.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    I'm OK with "the path to immortality" not actually meaning that the Jedi spirit will stay on the material plane forever, but that it will remain conscious forever.
     
  19. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Makes you wonder how eternal consciousness works - is it boring, unable to drop in on this mortal plain?
     
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  20. StampidHD280pro

    StampidHD280pro Jedi Master star 4

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    "Palps", my we're getting informal about Sith lords aren't we?
     
  21. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Master star 4

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    Would you prefer "Papa Papa Palpatine"? :D (see Robot Chicken)
     
  22. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What do you mean by "getting informal about sith lords"?
     
  23. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Normally the SIth wish to be called "High Supreme Overlord Darth___" and not by their college nickname or IM name. Sids was very particular about folks calling him Sids - he hated it. Since I hate him, I like to rile him up.
     
  24. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Better nickname-Palps or Sids?
     
  25. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Palps is the family-friendly face of the Republic; Sids is the ass-wrinkled face of the Empire.
     
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