Is SW in danger of becoming too Trekkie?

1. Nacelle is used in the Y-wing, and remember the ROTJ novelization mentioned a warp when the Reb Flt entered hyperspaxce.

2. Would the Empire be close to Gene Roddenberry's idea....ehm probably not.

 

Double post.

 

No, infact I have plenty of arguments left, all of which have been used before, and none of which have ever convinced someone who has a unwaivering hatred for something, as you do.

I cant be bothered with your sht in other words - and lo and behold, you played the old childish 'oh you must not have an argument left' card - wow, that was really unexpected wasnt it.

With statements like this:

I can tell there is some kinda puritanical/neo-con motive behind the whole argument - im not going to bother reasoning with a fanatic - it leads nowhere except pages and pages of text that I cant be bothered writing and responding to.

Go to a Star Trek forum and make a similar argument, if you really want a debate. Star Trek has secured its place in popular culture - I dont perticularily need to defend it from 'red under the beds' Macarthian crap.

 

Well put.

 

Let's hear them then.

Your regression to petty insults is what's really childish here, I'd say.

If you want to put it that way, I could say that I can tell there's some kind of post-modernist/atheist/secular-humanist/socialist motive behind your argument, but you don't see me crying foul.

That would be markedly unconstructive. I enjoy debating here because it's generally an exchange between myself and another person, maybe three or four at the most. If I was interested in wandering into a virtual live-fire zone where volume of sentiment is taken for proof of an argument's veracity I'd go to the Senate sub-forum.

I haven't seen any evidence yet that you're actually capable of doing so. You claim to have numerous arguments to support your POV, yet all you've done is to make vague allusions to information that supposedly supports your side, and claim that whatever disagrees with you is irrelevant to the argument.

If you're so well-versed in the lore of Trek, it should be easy for you to prove a relative neophyte like me me wrong, and I challenge you to do so. If you're as incapable of that as I suspect you are, then be man enough to admit it.

 

Do not worry; you have not even come close to defending it in any rational manner from the onset.

The way in which you glossed over the TOS Canon evidence, and instead issued an attack on Qm as a fanatic unworthy of reply identifies you as the ideologue friend, not him.

Insofar as the Federation is or is not Communist, I have always felt a little uncomfortable with the TNG Federation society.

They often tout their triumph over materialism; constantly remind us how mankind now works collectively without true tangible reward, refer to materialistic cultures (ref: Ferengi) as primitive despite obvious technological parity, and seem to enjoy a great deal of state-influence in all matters, from colonization and schooling (Calculus for 10 year olds), to technological development (Kregar Waves), travel (Warp Speed Limitations), and weapon ownership.

Also, as has been pointed out most clearly by Qm, there is a strange lack of Earth-terrestrial Religious practices throughout the post-Kirk Federation.

After the Kirk age materialism, religion, and violence appear to have gone to the wayside. (I think I just summed up my love for TOS and disinterest in the rest?.)



I do find it interesting and somewhat puzzling.
Why is it that, when comparisons of the two Science Fiction Universes are brought up, Trekkies automatically begin to bandy about how Trek is far more scientifically based, realistic, and a spring of hope for the future?


I was always left wondering why an Enterprise-D capable of sustaining TW shield stresses inside the Dyson sphere was in mortal danger from GW scale weapons, and why a TW power source was considered, ?more power than we can generate? by Riker when the Phaser array was supposed to be multi-TW by itself?.


The next person to tell me that Trek is more ?scientific? is going to get hit in the head with a drunk Ewok glued to a horny tribble?


With its Holocron Database Lucas has ensured Star Wars has a dedicated Canon Database that tracks as much minutiae as possible, from the names of Fruit, to Turbolaser Output, all the way to rationalizing inconsistencies with Star Ship dimensions and Army Sizes.

As long as the Holocron remains deftly kept and expanded, Star Wars should avoid the Trek failings of Episodic-amnesia.

As long as an X-Wing Squadron can never destroy an Imperator (and man did we ever get close) and a Turbolaser broadside is never invalidated by decoupling the Hyperdrive nacelles and rerouting them to the blah blah blah?.I will be happy.


Besides, HK-47 > Data anyways?.who wants to be like Trek?

 

LOL

Well said indeed. I'm going to have to use at least one of those as a signature sometime.

 

The only thing that I can think of that is really Trekkish, IMO, would be flow walking. I'd never heard of it before the Dark Nest trilogy and it seems too close to actual time travel for my liking. Beyond that everything is great.

 

I love the star wars eu, and I still think its exciting, even though every now and then I have my disagreements, but nevertheless, it is good. The reason why I believe that star wars is becoming like star trek is not becuase of the cross-section books, or the essential guides, or the what not. It is becuase of the sheer number of stories that we are getting. Little by little, every era is getting filled up, just like star trek. In star trek we have stories of young kirk, kirk in his 5-year mission, kirk after the 5-year mission, kirk during the movies, kirk after the movies, kirk in the Next Generation era. Star Wars may not be that way, but it is headed that way. First there's Anakin, then Luke, then most likely Ben, now we are at Cade, all these decendants. I'm not going to even talk about Jacen and Jaina. Too many stories are being told, and by the time we are done, star wars will have re-defined the meaning of betrayal, redemption, conquest, choosing between right and wrong, being wronged and doning something about it, and I could go on and on. But, you know what, I'll be like you guys and buying all this stuff. Cuase its star wars.