JCC Is the Catholic Church wrong?

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I mean they are giving a good catholic education. People are paying for a good expensive catholic education. All they ask from their employees is that they live a good life that doesn't conflict with their views. I mean the media needs to stop throwing in the faces of those parents who still believe what the catholic church is saying. In a weird way its almost criminal what these people have done. They understood what they were getting into when they became a teacher or administrator for a catholic school. You have to live by a few tenants or beliefs of the catholic church. Not throw it in their faces. They misrepresented themselves for a job. That is immediate grounds for dismissal. Personally I believe its wrong with what these people did. They don't deserve any sort of help from the gov't or anything else. Its a case of bad behavior according to the employee handbook. Now granted the schools have been unfair to unwed mothers or those who get artificial insemination but that's relativity low on the totem pole. Homosexuality is living in sin. Being an unwed mother might be just a bad choice. I have no problem with gays. Im from NY, we have been a decent place for all people regardless of who they are. But there has to be a line between religion and person choice. You can't ignore faith anymore especially when your selling an image and education to people who are faithful themselves.

 

Yes.

That was too easy. Give me a harder question.

 

It's too late, you can't be JCCer of the year.

 

In my learned opinion, the Catholic Church is always more right than beezel... and this includes the Galileo stuff...

 

Its not about what their beliefs are its about what they are actually selling when it comes to a catholic education. Its no different then a bank that gets rid of employees when they are charged with financial crimes including stealing. Sure they may not steal from them but they have to sell a product and that product is secure honest banking and investment. Banks can't hire thieves. And its a logical conclusion that the catholic school fires a person for homosexuality because they are violating the trust of their customers.

 

That's right. Bigotry is legal.

 

The Catholic Church is wrong in everything that it does.

 

Hey Boozel, look up "idiot" in the dictionary. You know what you'll find?

 

Everything in the first post feels like a parody of some sort, but it's beezel so...

 

Your post emailed to a moderator.

 

Inadequate.

 

You mean like the Catholic Church's practice of resolutely firing those of its employees who do things against the Catholic ethos like raping children? Oh wait...

 

Would you want your bank to keep a known thief as your very own bank teller? This isn't public education, its private religious education. They are selling a product. These people know that. Why are they so secret about what they do. There has to be boundaries. If this was a Jewish school, would there be any different reaction? At the same time, sex offenders are not allowed to teach children in any school. So if a level one offender changed his name and social security number and got a job everyone would be outraged he got a job in a school. Same with a homosexual in a Christian or a Jewish school. Its not bigotry its faith. These schools have a right to their faith. We allow them that. If they choose to get rid of someone that is in contrast to their faith then so be it. For years catholic schools didn't even have non lay teachers. Nuns did the teaching. Now we have both but the school's views have to acknowledged and listened to. How is possible for a good catholic or jewish school to give a good education to a kid when they are in violation of their own principles. These people are knowingly deceiving officials of the school to get their jobs.

 

The RCC historically has been perfectly happy to keep known paedophiles as custodians over children.

 

This is completely different, that was the church, not the schools. The church sells nothing. It isn't obligated to do anything it wants to do. Its not beholden to its parishioners. The school is different. They sell an education. A good catholic education. I am not defending the catholic church's past. Or even the Jewish religion's past. But a religious school has the right under the constitution to mix religion and education. And if that religious education means that it says homosexuality is bad and all those who practice it are going to hell so be it. At the same time you would expect and encourage them to stick to their principles and get rid of anyone who teaches their children that disobeys their teachings. Selling a good jewish or catholic education involves the highest standards. Ask yourselves would you really pay for an education if your school didn't really care about the standards set by its staff? One more thing, they are lying to get their jobs. Tell me what religious school condones lying? None of them.

 

Er, no, in many cases it was, indeed, the schools. As in, many cases of child rape happened at Catholic schools, by Catholic pastors/priests assigned to teach "values" to the kids in those schools. That's part of the reason paedophiles turn up a lot in schools: because a shark stays close to its hunting grounds.

 

Yes, the catholic church is wrong.

 

And I might add you pointed out nuns used to do the teaching in Catholic schools. It's a small and overlooked group, but nuns have sexually abused students in their care as well.

 

So you are trying to equate criminal behavior by a few catholic school administrators. As reason why all Catholic schools should not stick to what they are teaching. Thus allowing openly homosexual teachers and administrators despite the fact they are also the ones charged with teaching that homosexuality is a sin against god. And that lying in the first place is a sin as well. Your making an emotional argument that doesn't hold much water. Yes the catholic schools and church screwed up but that doesn't give them reason to throw the bible away and rewrite the gospels. They were founded on principles and those schools teach those principles as a foundation to a good education. My argument is a legal argument that makes much more sense. You want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

Nothing worse than tenants of the Catholic Church. OZK, 16 year old me, etc.

 

oh, Old Vivec... those were the days

 

That line sums it up. Work is work. You do NOT have the right to impose YOUR religious views on your employees outside work.

 

The catholic church is wrong about so many things, it's hard to know where to start. The Pope whines about the inhumanity of capitalism, yet relentlessly opposes family planning in places like the Philippines, where not having 10 babies per woman would be an easy first step out of poverty.

 

You do if you make them sign a contract. This is a religious organization. If you want to keep your life secret away from them that is fine. How many teachers in regular schools eventually get busted for drugs. Do you think the first time they take drugs they come out to their superiors. No, its only after they get busted do they get let go. Listen, public schools don't get any religious rights. They understand that and don't care what you do as long as it doesn't impede your job. But religious schools are different and everyone knows that. Seriously how odd would it be for a school to allow an openly gay teacher or an open swinger couple to be apart of the school. It would be shocking and it would interfere with education and religious teachings. Listen, religious schools are not the public. You have to respect it. Otherwise where does the line get drawn? Who decides what is right and what is moral? The state, the public, or a business? We have religion that gives us a sense of morality. And thru them many a parent chooses to send their kids to that school. The school deserves the right to teach morality the way it sees fit. If you don't like it then don't send your kid to the school and don't pay the fees.