ST Is the Emperor really dead?

Right, I got your point. I was saying the ideas of the EU were a mute point, especially if they are in contradiction to Lucas's ideas (e.g. ideas from the PT novels)..

 

ok

 

Even if the Dark Side exists, the Saga of Jedi falling should be over.

 

I agree. The ST could show that the dark side isn't restricted to some set group of people, but anyone can be tempted by it.

 

I think it would undermine Anakin's redemption.

I really hate the "everyone turns evil" approach that some fans seem to want.

 

Yep. And since there are thousands of force-sensitive beings on various worlds, there is plenty of opportunity for a story of one of them falling to the dark side; the Sith don't have to be the only game in town.

 

It would mean that Anakin didn't redeem the Jedi and the Skywalkers, two things that in my opinion are major components of what was so important about Anakin's actions.

 

There's several places for darksiders to come from other than the Jedi.

I'd say Palpatine staying dead places an awful lot of importance on Anakin's actions.

 

What's absurd is the idea that it's normal for someone to suddenly go from a self-sacrificing hero to a murderous, genocidal villain.

 

Jedi falling is like Martin Luther King, Jr. becoming a white supremecist.

 

Another Jedi might fall between the OT and ST but I don't want to see it happen again in the ST. We already had Anakin fall and Luke was on the Verge. Not again.

 

no

much better

 

This. Especially considering that Dooku was only the 20th Jedi in HISTORY to fall to the dark side, then Anakin and almost Luke (so... 21.5?). I mean, granted, I would expect Luke's Jedi to have far less strict rules than the original Jedi, and that would maybeeeee allow some more temptation but... no thank you. Enough fallen Jedi

 

Actually, the Lost Twenty were supposedly the twenty Jedi Masters who departed the Jedi Order of their own volition, typically over ideological differences, not necessarily because they fell to the Dark Side. Anakin was the self-declared "Lost 21st".

Anyways, going back to topic, as I've already made clear in the "Who's the Baddie?" thread, I'd much rather they avoid treading over old hat like a Palpatine return. He was killed already in RotJ, and if you take the EU into account, his spirit (and all his clone bodies) was finally vanquished for good in Empire's End. So I think it's safe to say he ain't coming back, or at least not physically. I do buy that new Jedi can certainly fall once again because the temptation of the Dark Side will always be there, it's just part of human nature.

 

Just curious if all the people in charge of this next flick are considering the villain with as much detail as we all are.
I sure hope so.

Still looking for a scenario I'm comfortable with.

 

Luke is starting a Jedi Order from scratch. Hopefully not a planet with a Sith Spirit like last time but there will be Jedi that have brushes with the Dark Side. Hopefully not like Jacen Solo or Darth Vader 2 which was a complete rip-off of Anakin Skywalker in the PT. So hopefully no Darth Vader 3 or if so please make it different from the last two!

 

Oh, my bad : p
But that makes it even worse! Not even 20 Jedi in history? Ugh, PLEASE no falls to the dark side in the ST

 

If you can be tempted by the Dark Side, you shouldn't be a Jedi. Luke shouldn't train those with the potential to fall. And as I said, Jedi falling is like Martin Luther King, Jr. becoming a white supremecist.