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Discussion Is the Emperor really dead?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by LANDO_ROCKS, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. 3PO

    3PO Jedi Master star 4

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    All this debate over more EU trash.

    He absorbed the lightning in the movie. That transformed him. Case closed. None of this "oh this book said this" crap. [face_not_talking]
     
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  2. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    Anyway, symbolically it is obviously clear-cut. He had a mask of civility and it eventually slipped/was destroyed, revealing the evil soul underneath. Perhaps, like Dorian Gray, his features had even decayed as a result of his years of accumulated evil deeds and thoughts.
     
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  3. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    Every thread in the forum, you mean. I'm starting to hate JJ, Disney, and Marvel, too.
     
  4. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    The forum in general is.
     
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  5. purplerain

    purplerain Jedi Knight star 4

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    I feel like the ST would be disconnected from the PT and OT if Sidious died in ROTJ.
     
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  6. sons_of_anakin_tatooine

    sons_of_anakin_tatooine Jedi Knight star 3

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    i love how you pretend this false image that the eu is crap but in the end you will still see the film regardless and if it was someone like revan or darth bane youd be the first guy to eat it up in a second. and imo that makes you a hypocrite because such charachters are from the eu so are you going to say those guys are trash also?
     
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  7. purplerain

    purplerain Jedi Knight star 4

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    Which is exactly what the book says. I don't see how movies vs. EU is even relevant here. The movie and the book say the same thing.
     
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  8. gambit420

    gambit420 Jedi Master star 2

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    i dont even know who those guys are..... so yes its trash
     
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  9. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    Sidious cannot be destroyed. Only absorbed.
     
  10. KOBBRA

    KOBBRA Jedi Padawan

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    I think he will return like a ghost or something like that! And after that he will find DNA or something else and will clone Vader! ;)
     
  11. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    I'd pay to watch that.
     
  12. cwustudent

    cwustudent Jedi Master star 4

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    If he/she doesn't say it, I will. The EU is nothing more than published fan-fiction. Putting those 8 gold letters at the top of a product doesn't mean its a good product and that I must accept its presence in my head-canon. There's a lot of garbage in the EU.

    And yes, the emperor is dead. Until GL changes his mind.
     
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  13. Mystery Roach

    Mystery Roach Force Ghost star 4

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    This is a tough call for me, because on one hand Palpatine has been an integral character in the Saga and I don't really care for the idea of him being dead and gone 2/3 of the way through. I could say the same about Anakin as well, but the fact that he appears as a ghost at the end of ROTJ leads me to believe that his role in the story may very well not be over yet. On the other hand, bringing Palpatine back without it seeming seriously contrived is a very tricky proposition. I do think it could work though as long as it is organic to the overall story of the ST, for instance if it deals more explicitly with death and certain Jedi's ability to retain their physical presence in death (and personally I'm a big proponent of this approach, along with the inclusion of the long-fabled Whills), then Palpatine's return could work thematically in direct juxtaposition to the secrets mastered by Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin. I don't know if the powers that be would be interested in going down that road, or if many fans would be either for that matter, but I know I would at any rate.
     
  14. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Emperor should be dead at this point. He fell to the bottom of the reactor shaft but if by some miracle he survived that fall, the huge explosion of the death star will vaporize his body completely and there's no way anyone can survive that.
     
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  15. purplerain

    purplerain Jedi Knight star 4

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    There's those pesky things called spirits...
     
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  16. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    Maybe the explosion of the Death Star saved him? What is an explosion other than a release of energy? Maybe Palpatine's fading spirit absorbed the energy and he was able to retain his consciousness in the force? Who knows what happened to Palpatine at the quantum level when the DS exploded?
     
  17. 3PO

    3PO Jedi Master star 4

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    A) I don't even know who Darth Bane is (more EU crap)

    B) If they enter the movie lore, they are no longer EU now are they? And how about you try to read all of my posts before going on some tangent? I've already said anything SWTOR related I am fine with (or either of the TOR games).

    C) "pretend this false image" - lol.

    D) This coming from you is hilarious. Every post I've seen of yours is clinging on to hope that anything and everything EU will be included against all logic. "I love how you pretend this false image that eu is golden".
     
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  18. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "I don't know who/what that is, so it's crap!"

    [face_laugh]

    Ah, well, there's a mature argument if there ever was one.
     
  19. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    I agree that a lot of the EU is crap. But that doesn't mean we have to be dicks about it.

    Unless we're talking to sons_of_anakin_tatooine who really really loves that crap.
     
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  20. KevinM1

    KevinM1 Jedi Knight star 2

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    The ST is in a weird place where there's an entire generation of fans that feels/knows that the Emperor died at the end of RotJ. Bringing him back as an active character would simply undermine the Rebels' victory over him, and diminish a lot of what happened at the end of that part of the saga.

    I don't like the spirit/Force Ghost idea because I always had the sense that Jedi tried to act in harmony with The Force whereas the Sith used The Force as a tool and weapon. I don't like the idea of essentially rewarding Palpatine with an afterlife which seems to be closely tied to a person finding peace with themselves at the time of their passing, something Palpatine clearly wasn't.

    That said, I think we all hanker for more scenery-chewing goodness from Ian McDiarmid. So, with that in mind, I'd love it if the villain-to-be stumbled upon some Sith Holocrons recorded by Palpatine. We'd get more awesome and Palpatine's influence would still be felt.
     
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  21. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

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    Palpatine doesn't really strike me as a guy who would make convenient little notes for a potential successor.
     
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  22. Mystery Roach

    Mystery Roach Force Ghost star 4

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    If Sidious were to find a way to return, be it as a ghost or whatever, it would likely be through more unnatural means than the Jedi, and probably therefore even more disruptive to the balance of the Force. Perhaps even something which is a mystery to him, such as being somehow tied to Anakin's life force and finding a way back through him.
     
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  23. KevinM1

    KevinM1 Jedi Knight star 2

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    With the Rule of Two, the Sith are always just two people away from being wiped out again. It would be stupid to not have a cache of Sithy stuff saved somewhere to keep the culture and secrets alive.
     
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  24. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    Why does the Sith afterlife need to be a reward or harmonious in any sense? I imagine it as something more like Hell for them, and the Sith wanting back out into the material world. Material power is what a Sith loves most.
     
  25. purplerain

    purplerain Jedi Knight star 4

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    So does the very existence of an ST.
     
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