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Discussion Is the Emperor really dead?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by LANDO_ROCKS, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    I like Son of Suns better.
     
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  2. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    I thought the ST was an original story. Resurrecting Palpatine is hardly original, it was done in Dark Empire.
     
  3. HL&S

    HL&S Magistrate Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Luke or Leia having kids isn't exactly original either. Doesn't mean they won't proceed with that and give them different names and characteristics.
     
  4. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's all about phrasing and presentation.
    It's more original if they say that kids have Leia or Luke.
     
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  5. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    That's not a plot, it is just an example of normal human development. Might as well claim death is unoriginal.
     
  6. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Malleus Maleficarum star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Let's hope they come up with something slightly more original than having the actors breathe or speak to one another in order to communicate their thoughts.
     
  7. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The kids will be fighting Palpatine not Luke falling to the Dark Side and taking him down from the inside. Anakin's and Obi-Wan's Force ghost might have a role so the ST will be different from DE.
     
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  8. HL&S

    HL&S Magistrate Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Normal equals original? So if the next three movies focused on Palpatine having an heir, that would be original because it's an example of normal human development? Three movies dealing with Palpatine's son or possible son is a completely original idea for Star Wars?

    As for death being unoriginal, it would greatly depend on who it happens to and how it happens in these sequels. Luke being killed by a Sith Lord in front of his apprentice wouldn't exactly be the most original idea, but it might happen.
     
  9. Fly Guy

    Fly Guy Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yes.

    The Emperor is dead.

    He sleeps with the fishes like Luco Brasi.
     
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  10. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    I would like if you didn't put words in my mouth. I was referring to the statement by the actual filmmakers that the ST was an original story. Bringing back Palps wouldn't be an original story because it's been done before.

    I wouldn't mind it if the movies dealt with Palpatine's heir, whoever he/she is. It isn't terribly original, but it wasn't really done in the EU (Mara Jade hardly counts) and could be made interesting.
     
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  11. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Jedi Knight star 4

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    When filmmakers describe a screenplay as "original" they mean it's not adapted from another source. That's why there's a different Academy Award for "Best original screenplay" and "Best adapted screenplay." The ST could very well have Cloned Palpatine without being an adaptation of whatever piece of EU Cloned Palpatine appears in.
     
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  12. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    I want them to burp and fart at each other.
     
  13. plaidphoenix

    plaidphoenix Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Episode VII performed by semaphore. Or perhaps on an Aldis lamp?
     
  14. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Jedi Knight star 4

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    Reminds me of this:
     
  15. HL&S

    HL&S Magistrate Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The survival of Palpatine can be an original story if done in a different way than the EU. Just like the adventures of Luke and Leia's kids can be an original story if done in a different way.

    As for Palpatine's heir, I'd say the story of Trioculus and Triclops counts. But they can go the route of giving Palpatine a son or daughter while making it different from a three eyed prisoner/genetic experiment/possible love child of Palpatine and Sly Moore.
     
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  16. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    That reminds me that Episode VIII should be entirely in Morse Code.
     
  17. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    You know, apparently some of the early EU books dealt with the offspring of Palp, and for some reason the writer was obsessed with characters with three eyes. Somehow during my EU phase I missed out on these books, which sound so terrible that I might actually like them.

    I had always thought Ken Palpatine was a joke. I know he is, but the kind of joke that exists in a real book.

    Anyway, it is true that "original" in this context doesn't mean a fresh or innovative plot. It means a non-adapted screenplay. This means ideas from the EU might find their way in.

    I think we might all be surprised to find that the ST will actually be about Palpatine cloning himself and transferring essence. This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- just because it was poorly done in EU doesn't mean it couldn't be good on screen. Personally, I've never had a problem with clones or the problems of longevity they might create for our heroes.
     
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  18. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    If he is returning in a new body to wreck havoc on an unsuspecting republic using the imperial forces then it is a copy of Dark Empire. And as they also said they wouldn't adapt an EU-story, this plot is out. If he returns as ghost and doesn't use the Empire I would say it is a different plot and possible.

    Totally forgot about Trioculus. I never read those books.
     
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  19. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    Glove of Darth Vader is the pinnacle of SW literature. Once you read it, you have absolutely no desire to read anymore EU afterwards.
     
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  20. Mystery Roach

    Mystery Roach Force Ghost star 4

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    Glove of Darth Vader is my holy grail. From all I've heard, it sounds too amazing for words.
     
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  21. UK Sullustian

    UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Bringing back the Emperor is a cheap, easy and tabloid way of extending Star Wars. The only thing worse would be to bring back the Sith sans Palpatine.

    I am certain they will do one of the above. So they might as well do the first one.

    UKS
     
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  22. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    Not necessarily. Cut the Imperial Forces. Cut all the Jainas and Jacens. Cut other crappy plot points (like Luke going darkside). Then it's not an adaptation. Similar plot element, different story.
     
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  23. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    That's true.

    But what is Palpatine without some underlings to boss around? If he doesn't use the imperial forces, you'd have to give him other servants.
     
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  24. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 6

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    Bringing Palpatine back, in physical form, kinda contradicts the "original story" claim - it's been done in the EU and Disney has said none of that material will influence VII source material.
     
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  25. Sith-Mullet

    Sith-Mullet Jedi Master star 3

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    Wow!!! So many skeptics, Uncle Palpy is Dead!!!
     
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