Discussion Is the Emperor really dead?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by LANDO_ROCKS, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. El Jedi Colombiano Jedi Grand Master

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    I really don't understand why so many of you are obsessed with reviving dead characters. I would prefer to see new faces.
  2. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Not a good film.
  3. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    If they bring him back I'll wear this shirt at the movie theatre:

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  4. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    Nobody likes the essence transfer idea from Dark Empire, eh?


    Why didn't Palps Force glide down to one of those catwalks, anyway? We've seen Anakin and Ahsoka do something like that in the Clone Wars, no?
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  5. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    No.

    Palps probably couldn't do it. Ahsoka did it because she's the true Chosen One and Anakin could do it because Qui-Gon, who had never met Ahsoka, thought he was the Chosen One.
  6. Lee_ Force Ghost

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  7. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    How about Palpatine's spirit, but no body?
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  8. Toonimator Force Ghost

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    Yes, let's have Exar Kun be the villain of the ST... but call him Palpatine instead. Ooo, maybe they can make his Force spirit glowy RED instead of glowy BLUE! [face_clown]
  9. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Better as long as he plays second violin/mentor figure to the real big bad.
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  10. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    I have no problem with a spirit big bad.
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  11. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    No.
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  12. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    I do because he was defeated fair and square and that should have some relevance.
  13. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    You'll love this thread. http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-pro-resurrection-thread.50013114/
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  14. Toonimator Force Ghost

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    How do you destroy a spirit big bad, tho? Too many of these arguments in the past amount to "Anakin's spirit has to fight <Evil Spirit> in the netherworld"... thus making it another Hayden movie, bringing it back around to Vader being the end-all, be-all of Star Wars like Lucas claimed he was when he decided to do the Prequels and nix the idea of sequels or whatever.

    I want the new characters to be the heroes... not the ghosts. Even if the new heroes have plenty to do, having the ultimate outcome depend on Ghost Hayden kicking Ghost Palpatine or Ghost Plagueis or Ghost Exar's butt feels all kinds of wrong & underwhelming & bad. Like Empatajayos Brand's spirit being the one to truly 'end' Palpatine in "Empire's End". Just...weird.
  15. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Exar Kun was alive and well when he destroyed Freedon Nadd's spirit.
  16. Toonimator Force Ghost

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    Okay, so you want Star Wars, Episode IX: Ghostbusters?
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  17. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    absolutely
  18. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I prefer flesh-and-blood living characters. The couple of ghosts we had in the OT were fine but I don't see the point in an ST that is majority-ghosts.
  19. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Qui-Gon knows that true immortality is not in the flesh, but rather in the spirit.
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  20. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I don't believe in immortality and don't want a movie about it.
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  21. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    "Qui-Gon has found a path to immortality."
    - Yoda

    Star Wars doesn't seem to agree with you, anakinfan. However, I don't wish to discuss personal views on immortality (although you're free to).
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  22. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    I like the idea of a Palpatine spirit but the idea of a bunch of Force ghosts everywhere in the ST is not appealing to me at all and especially a battle between Force ghosts seems way over the top. If Palpatine spirit does show up I definitely don't want him to be the main baddie and I like to see that he is a complete wreck completely different from a Force ghost. A nice little scene like the one in the dark cave where the hero is tested would satisfy me.
  23. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Anakin turned to the Dark Side by looking for a way to stop death, which leads me to believe that trying to achieve immortality is a very, very bad thing, even in Star Wars.

    "All things die, Anakin Skywalker. Even the stars burn out." Matthew Stover, the ROTS novelization

    See also: Yoda's speech to Anakin in ROTS.

    I'd say Star Wars does agree with me.

    Maybe that means that Yoda and Obi-Wan were ****ing hypocrites for coming back as ghosts after telling Anakin that death is a natural part of life; I don't spend too much time thinking on that one, but I would rather that point of view become prevalent than Palpatine re-appear, which sends the message that damn, this Dark Side thing is worthwhile anyway because if I turn to the Dark Side, I won't die.

    Didn't work out so well for Voldemort.
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  24. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Qui-Gon achieved immortality. Explain that.
  25. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    No, he didn't. Qui-Gon is dead.

    And if you want to focus on Yoda, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Force-ghosting as a good thing after Anakin's attempts at achieving immortality are precisely what led him to the Dark Side...as I said, the Jedi are hypocrites.

    I don't believe that and I'm willing to overlook the Force-ghosting as a minor detail that worked in the story for the OT. The plot demanded that Obi-Wan sacrifice himself but still be able to guide Luke. The Force-ghosting itself wasn't important.

    But I sure as hell don't want an entire movie full of Force ghosts, much less a movie in which dark-siders successfully "achieve immortality."
    Last edited by anakinfansince1983, Jul 26, 2013