TOR Is the Old Republic going to be a bust?

Discussion in 'Games' started by darth_nemisis, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. darth_nemisis Force Ghost

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    Just came across this article:

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/ea-artist-soon-to-be-laid-off-burns-ea-management-1903

    It's quite long and, judging by the first couple of paragraphs it seems like it has nothing to do with TOR. However, I'd like to highlight this portion:

    So, according this guy, call him EA Louse I guess, TOR is going to be a huge bust. What do you guys think? By what I'm reading, it seems like it's going to be awesome. And, come one, more money than one of the most expensive movies of all time? Ridiculous (though, that doesn't make it a good game)!
  2. Sith-Lord-Gunray Ex-Mod

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    Honestly it sounds like there's just empty opinions there, and nothing to back it up. What are they basing this on? I don't trust it.
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  3. FalorWindrider Jedi Grand Master

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    It can't possibly be as bad as Star Wars Galaxies...
  4. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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    Interesting. I suspect that if they drag out development too much, then the bubble will burst, especially considering that we've been sitting here for some time already waiting for it... my personal interest dipped a little, but I suspect a good Timeline video will remedy that. :cool:
  5. Sith-Lord-Gunray Ex-Mod

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    To be fair though, World of Warcraft does that too...although they're doing it on top of already existing addictions. I mean this expansion for WoW that's coming out soon, has been coming out soon for over a year now. They keep changing the release date a few months back every once in a while. Which pisses the fans off, but somehow it works in making them want to play it even more. TOR seems to have a general release date set that they've been sticking to, so that's comforting. Plus with their goals so high (they're going to have to match the level of WoW or beat it since it's not going to be a crappy clone MMO release), the extremely long development time makes sense.

  6. Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. It just sounds like hollow bashing.
  7. Winged_Jedi Force Ghost

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    Don't know about the rest of the report, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. Videogames are expensive business these days. Bioware keep telling us that this game has more content than all their other games combined. Well, you need cash to create content. And that's a colossal amount of content, so you're going to need a colossal amount of cash.
  8. Qui-Gon_Reborn Manager Emeritus

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    In that case, I doubt they'd invest so much money in something that was going to end up busting. Bioware's had tons of hits in the past, so they're not stupid. They know what they're doing.
  9. YYZ-2112 Jedi Master

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    This is only my opinion, but if I had the cash, I'd be investing in Bioware stock right about now. This game is gonna knock your socks off; assuming you're into MMO's, Star Wars and storytelling. And being a fan of the original KotOR wouldn't hurt either. To make money, you've got to spend money. And although much of TOR is a huge expensive gamble, I think it's wise to tap into an otherwise unexplored aspect of the MMORPG; the RPG.

    I check out what others have to say, then I go look at it myself and form my own opinion. In the end, the success or failure of TOR will happen regardless of what is said. Word of mouth from common folk may have some impact on sales and subs but gameplay will spread the truth and reveal itself in the first month. The end result will be based on that and that alone. Anyway, press is good, even if it's bad press. It causes discussion; like this one and gives a forum for both sides to present their case.
  10. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    Bioware is still making it, so I am not worried. And if Bioware sold a game at $100 I would buy it. Since KOTOR Bioware has not sold me a bad game.
  11. darth_nemisis Force Ghost

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    Good point, Winged_Jedi. I believe I remember hearing a report a while back about TOR being only 1/3 of the way done and the script was larger than every episode of The Sopranos combined. That's huge.

  12. Alpha_02 Jedi Knight

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    I don't recall being letdown by anything BioWare put out like ever, so I have faith in them to deliver a very good game. As a Star Wars fan it seems like the perfect combo to me, BioWare at the helm, an empty and pretty much untapped area of the timeline to work in and the huge scope on an MMO to do it in.

    They are taking a risk to a degree, by doing something that nobody else has really tried before, but I can't see how more voiced npcs, more quests relevant to your characters own storyline and so on can really be a bad thing (beats the heck out of go kill 10 of random critter x in each zone). Better than badly cloning WoW and failing like numerous other MMOs of recent years have done. So they spent lots of money on it... and? I'm not sure how the writer of the article manages to put a negative spin on it really, as if it would be better if it were really cheap and had been put out 6 months ago in a half-arsed state. They want the game to succeed so they are putting their financial weight behind it, hardly surprising, if he had said it could be a bust if the game isn't well received then he may have had a point, comes off more like typical EA bashing than anything else.

    Whether it is going to be a bust or not long term who can say, until the game is out there and the initial surge of purchases/sign ups are over, I doubt anyone can really predict how much of a success the game will end up being, especially financially.
  13. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    Well, on one hand I doubt it is going to be as successful as some think. I mean, a lot of gamers lose patience with MMOs when they are first released since they are almost invariably buggy and unbalanced. The fact that Blizzard has had so long to fix things like that is its second biggest advantage over any new mmo, regardless of how much better the new one is. (The second is that people are already playing WOW. So if they want to play with their friends, which is the point of Multiplayer games, then they will probably default to WOW. Plus, it has Word of Mouth)

    On the other hand, I can't see this being a disaster either. They already have two assured fanbases: Star Wars fans and Bioware fans. With the amount of effort they put into it, I imagine it being at least a niche game, and likely one that does very well.

    Course, given the amount of money going into it, I am not sure if that would still make a profit.
  14. Yodaminch Force Ghost

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    But there is overlap in the two groups. And there is going to be a significant portion that want to play but simply can't. Be it money issues or not having a computer capable of properly running the game. This is a bit of unexplored territory for Bioware and it could be a massive success or it could be a bit of a letdown. I don't believe it's going to be terrible though.
  15. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    Most the WOW players I know are ready to jump from WOW to TOR.

  16. -polymath- SFF:F/TV Trivia Host

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    The only MMO that I ever played consistently was City of Heroes. I really enjoyed it too. But then I just lost interest in the repetitive missions and I started a new job, so I bailed on it.

    I tried WoW but never had the time commitment to get past level 30. It was fun and it was beautiful but it was not something that I could justify investing time into. Of course, then my first kid came along and that sucked all my time away.

    However, for TOR, I'm making time, setting aside $$, and will be involved from the first day. I will even be buying a new computer that will be able to run this game at the highest capacity. I'm all in because--

    1. Voice acting
    2. Bioware involvement
    3. It's Star Wars
  17. Alpha_02 Jedi Knight

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    Speaking as someone who's played a ton of MMOs (EQ2, RFO, SWG, WoW, LotRO to name a few) there is a building anticipation for TOR definately, I think a lot of people will at the least try it out. How many of those people stick around will depend on the game itself (and on Cataclysm I expect).

    As a current WoW player I'm really looking forward to Cata and to TOR, in pure gaming terms I'll have to wait and see which comes out on top, but as a long time BioWare fan and a massive SW fan I'm already sold really unless TOR is horrible (which I highly doubt).
  18. Sith-Lord-Gunray Ex-Mod

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    Cata is an extremely wise move on Blizzard's part, and probably the only card they could play now that would beat out TOR's inevitable popularity. I've been playing WoW since it was released (only recently quit), and even the wow players are well aware of TOR's release, and most are very supportive and willing to try it. The thing is, yes, WoW does have the biggest player base for an mmo right now - but that doesn't restrict those players specifically to that game. Almost every person I've known in WoW is constantly looking for new, better things. Fortunately for Blizzard...a better mmo just hasn't been made yet. Cata is going to pull all the die-hard WoW players back to addiction...just in time for TOR to be released once the brand-newness of the expansion wears off.

    Basically, if TOR is even slightly around the level of quality as WoW, the extra edge of it being Bioware and Star Wars is all it needs to screw Blizzard.
  19. JasperMereel_ Jedi Knight

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    Now do they have a release date yet?
  20. GreyJedi23 Jedi Master

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    I have hope for TOR, as per Bioware's excellent track record in the past. The one aspect that turns me off is that it is an MMORPG, and I have never been fond of that genre.
  21. Rouge77 Jedi Grand Master

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    No. April 2011 the earliest, but before the end of 2011.
  22. JasperMereel_ Jedi Knight

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    That works for me. Gives me more time to put money away for it.
  23. TORquedvodcast Jedi Padawan

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    ooh just in time for my b day lol
  24. SithSarcasm Jedi Knight

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    Now I doubt it is coming out for Mac...

    Would it possibly come out one day?
  25. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    According to an X-Play report 16 people were allowed to play the game. They got 7 hours in and said they had not even left the first planet. The word "addiction" was used.