For all we know, Obi-Wan will try to reach Anakin sometime in Episode III when Kenobi believes that Anakin has not quite yet slipped away. Then, the duel. -Melancholy Then why doesn?t Kenobi convey this to Luke? It would?ve, in effect, solidified your presupposed idea that Kenobi wanted Vader dead. ?I tried to bring him back,? Kenobi could have said to Luke, ?but your father couldn?t be saved. He tried to kill me.?- bad radio Uhh?EXACTLY! Why doesn?t he? You're the one saying that this type of thing (knowledge between Obi-Wan and Yoda that Anakin can be redeemed) is going to occur in Episode III. That we will come to know that this is what Obi-Wan and Yoda have been planning all along. It wasn't me, it was you! I'm the one who laughs at this idea. I say, why not just tell Luke the truth from the beginning. Instead, they get hothead Luke in ESB who goes to Bespin with every intention of trying to kill Vader. Now, let?s say Vader decides to kill Luke during one of the hundred opportunities that he had. What would Kenobi and Yoda say to Luke? "Oops, sorry kid." "It didn?t go down the way we thought it would." "Sorry." It doesn?t work. Instead, he leaves it up to Luke to find this out on his own.-bad radio What purpose would that serve? Don?t tell me, I already know. NONE!!! Holding back this information, coupled with the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan never come right out a say that Vader has to be killed (instead they say that he must be confronted) and proceeding to put the blame on Palpatine, gets across to the audience that these two were trying to bring Anakin back through Luke. That?s quite a stretch?even for you. ?Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor.? ?Yoda ?I can?t do it, Ben.? ?I can?t kill my own father.? - Luke Kenobi, hands resting on his legs. ?Then the Emperor has already won.? ?You were our last hope.? - Obi-Wan That is some pretty strong dialogue. Why doesn?t Kenobi think that Leia can be used to reach Vader emotionally? Because that is not what he (Kenobi) wants. He wants violence. He knows it is beyond Leia. The funny part is that it is beyond Luke's abilities too. But, desperate men... On top of that, in AOTC Yoda senses just how much pain Anakin is in when Shmi dies. Yoda knows just how close Anakin is to his family? And pity the person who tries to bring harm to someone in Anakin?s family. In other words, Yoda and Obi-Wan realized that Palpatine was pretty much screwed if Luke didn?t turn to the dark side, because then Palpatine would be forced to kill Luke, and they knew that Anakin wouldn?t allow that to happen. We can?t really say that yet. What about Padme? She means more to Anakin than anyone, including his mother. We don?t know what happens to her. What if Palpatine kills her? What if he kills her in front of Anakin no less? Unless you have the Episode III script, you are stretching it with that one. You are slowly entering PMT99 territory. This is a very weak argument from him. So we are all supposed to think that everything has a deeper meaning? That everything is a lesson to be learned, or some knowledge to be had, or irony where there seems to be none? ? Melancholy I think you?re just pissed that you didn?t see the irony from the outset. I mean c?mon, it?s all right there.- bad radio Didn't see it? Don't make me laugh! What's to see? Like PMT99, you see things that aren't there. First Obi-Wan says that Luke?s feelings about his father are absurd, and then in his parting words he says that Luke?s insight and feelings ?serve him well? and ?do him credit.?- bad radio So exactly when does Luke supposed to believe Obi-Wan when he talks? Once every three sentences? Every four? Where does the lying end and the truth begin? How is Luke supposed to know the difference? Does he have a magic decoder ring?