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Senate Israel/Palestine

Discussion in 'Community' started by Obi-Wan McCartney, Jan 4, 2009.

  1. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  2. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    I really hope it is.
     
  3. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    lol @ people outraged by this.
     
  4. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  5. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    are people outraged by it? it was presented to me as darkly humorous
     
  6. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Um, yeah, I mean I figure religious people are boring foolish too serious at the best of times, but Google the phrase "BBC Israel soldier twists ankle in gaza" and prepare to be assailed by gormless hypocrisy and manufactured outrage. 'Cause, you know, Arabs done hate Palestinians; they just hate Israelis more.
     
  7. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    welcome to the internet i guess

    ill be over here puzzling over israeli facebook friends' reactions to a picture that purports to be of a palestinian literally hanging small children by their clothing on a fence, supposedly as human shields (as if that has ever stopped the idf)
     
  8. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Speaking for myself, my Jewish friends are absolutely in an alternate world right now, where Israel is under assault by the very anus of evil itself.
     
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  9. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    yah, i love at least two of my facebook israelis to death but its really creepy when they periodically get pulled into these paroxysms of "kill-em-all" nationalism
     
  10. dp4m

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    I only do that to Saxonites.
     
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  11. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Well I have a mix of both I should say. Some are militant, others are conspicuously oblivious to it, posting more "normal" photos of them doing stuff than they otherwise would.

    I understand the militant sentiment, but I can't sanction it given the death toll to date.
     
  12. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    yeah i think the israeli citizens i know just happen to be right there in netanyahu's base

    none of the non-israeli jews i know ever comment on the conflict on facebook, so far as ive noticed. its always the evangelical americans and the israelis that go into full spin-machine mode during these flare-ups. and then there's one girl who doesnt even wait for a major offensive, its just "all palestinians being evil all the time", punctuated by selfies (her iphone has an israeli flag skin, so the mirrored ones at least have a sort of continuity with the nationalist content) and the occassional article about animal cruelty -- her two main political causes appear to be protecting animal rights and exterminating gazans
     
  13. dp4m

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    The worst are the Gawker and related-site comments.
     
  14. dp4m

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  15. Rogue_Ten

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    [​IMG]

    i lol'd

    also apparently there's another truce or something, w/e
     
  16. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm finding it difficult to not be defeatist when it comes to this conflict, which in turn makes me apathetic. Basically, they deserve each other.
     
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  17. Rogue_Ten

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    well the problem with that thinking is that, in the long term is that, as much as israel whines about rockets killing, like 1/2 of an israeli citizen per year or w/e, they probably could sustain the occupation indefinitely (and presumably, given netanyahu's public rejection of both a two state solution and citizenship for palestinians, this is the de facto intent). the real suffering is on the palestinian side, and that cannot and should not be sustained forever
     
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  18. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I've thought/known this for a long time, hence my defeatism.
     
  19. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    I'd say it's pretty easy for Westerners/Americans to settle into the comforts of defeatism and apathy when we aren't affected by the situation at all.
     
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  20. Rogue_Ten

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    the whole "they deserve each other" comment is unwarranted. surely the palestinian people do not "deserve" to be exterminated and/or driven from their homes? to say nothing of the, in my opinion, also unfair implication that the average israeli citizen "deserves" to live in a culture suffused by hate and fear
     
  21. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Isn't VVM Iranian?
     
  22. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I didn't mean the average Palestinian or Israeli citizen, as surely the average citizen on both sides is reasonable and just wants to get on with his life and mind his own business more than anything. My comment was directed at what you might call hardliners - those who nurture an atmosphere of fear and hostility. I thought that was implied. Or, rather, I thought that was assumed, I should say. Perhaps it was a needlessly vicious statement.

    I've grown up here, though. I'm as much, if not more so, a product of here as there. His criticism is valid.
     
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  23. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    Is he? I mean, my comment still stands whether he is or isn't, it just wouldn't be directed at him anymore.

    Violent Violet Menace answer.

    EDIT: how did you go back in time and post before me VVM this isn't funny. :p
     
  24. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    I have to imagine they were referring to the IDF and Hamas or the Israeli government and Hamas. I'd like to think that when people are mentioning the Israelis and Palestinians, they aren't referring to the general civilian populations who would just as soon see this ended.
     
  25. Rogue_Ten

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    well then i think its worth pointing out his rhetorical mistake, because clearly hamas and likud are doing quite well off each new exchange of ordinance. do they "deserve" the increased support they both recieve from their constituents/international cheering sections as a result? surely he didnt mean that either