J.J. Abrams STAR TREK XI

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  1. Koohii Jedi Master

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    I would like to add my thanks to the conter-viewpoint. I know what it is to be in the minority (Hey, I'm a conservative in CA!) and can well understand what it is to have everyone flaming when you attack their favorite new movie. Thing is, I expect in about 10 years, they won't be nearly as enomoured by TREK XI.

    Many, if not all, of your points are quite valid. There is only 1 line in the movie that explains the gaping inconsistency between what Trek Has Been & Should Be, and what this movie was: the line about time travel creating an alternate reality. A reality in which Kirk is an arrogant pissant who needs to have his head squashed like an over-ripe pimple.

    Good luck.
  2. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I second that- that was Nero's best line in the movie, and the only one that started to make him interesting and fun. It amde me want to see more of the character portrayed like that. Sadly, the rest of his scenes don't capitalize on this great moment. It's perfect and not at all cheesy.
  3. Hernalt Jedi Grand Master

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    Two things, Boba_Squeak.

    1) I know your pain. I reeled in my comments and bit my tongue bloody hard. My polished post above is daisies compared to what went through my mind during the first viewing. Try to give it two viewings, and DON'T think of it as "Trek" upon the second viewing, as it is not. Just try to enjoy the acting, pacing and humor as in an action movie.

    2) If all else fails, start writing your own fiction.
  4. Koohii Jedi Master

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    Two other points bugged me during the movie:
    The total blaze' way Spock said that Romulans and Vulcans share common ancestry. That was a major shock reaction in the original series. Now it's ho-hum.

    "I'm now a member of an endangered species." Um, there are still an awful lot of you... Only 5000 are needed to have a viable genepool, and I believe they said there were 100,000 vulcans offworld. OK, once every 7 years is a little limiting, but the ones who were off-world would likely be in their prime breeding years, or their children, or maybe a diplomatic attache (or spy), not the retirees.
    On the other hand, the destruction of the Intrepid, the all-vulcan crewed ship has a great deal more significance.

    Yes, you have to view this as a modern scifi action movie, not as Trek. As Trek, it's awful (with a few exceptions). As another movie/series entirely, completely divorced from it's supposed origins, it can be quite entertaining.
    May seem a bit hypocritical, given my lambasting of the Michal Bay Transformers Movie(s), but I attack it for a wide variety of reasons, not just its failure to follow the source material.
  5. goraq Jedi Youngling

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxTWGfflUQ

    could someone tell me from which game is this?

    I might play it.
  6. Mustafar_66 Jedi Master

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    10,000, not 100,000.
  7. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Going by the search tags, [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Elite_Force_II]Elite Force 2[/link].
  8. DewbackRider88 Jedi Padawan

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    And because of what happened with the Kelvin, Starfleet knows more about the Romulans in this timeline than they did in the old one.

    Spock is 'blaze' because it ISNT big deal in this timeline, everyone probably knows. Hence Uhura knowing how to speak 'all three dialects' of Romulan as well.
  9. RK_Striker_JK_5 Jedi Master

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    yeah, you can't take stuff from the 'prime' timeline and apply it here, for the most part.

    Me? I flippin' loved the movie, as a trek movie and a 'non-trek' movie, although the supposed distinction puts me ill at ease.[face_plain]
  10. Koohii Jedi Master

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    My mistake about the numbers. Sorry. Only saw the flick once. Still well above minimum survival charactaristics.

    As for Uhura speaking all the languages, starfleet could have built an extensive linguistic database either from intercepted communications or via species with more experience. Still, throwing that information in there as a one-liner seems a little cheap. Be much more fun with some mystery, maybe even a little shock when the Feds first meet the Romulans in this movie and say "Wait, You look exactly like a Vulcan! Have they been lying to us all this time?!?" or something like that.

    Shouldn't the andorians have been jumping up and down with excitement over the Vulcans being nearly wiped out? That could lead to a very Hawkish Federation.

    What ever happened to the rank of Commodore? Seems that they go straight from Captain to Admiral without any steps in between.
  11. Darth_Omega Jedi Grand Master

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    That's definitely Elite Force 2.
  12. RK_Striker_JK_5 Jedi Master

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    The part about the alternate timeline wasn't a 'one-liner'. It was a good point and explained most/all of the inconsistencies.

    Don't look to TOS for explanations about the Romulans for this movie. The Federation now had contact with Romulans in the form of the Narada and it's all speculation as to what their relationship with the Empire proper is. Maybe they made contact before 'Balance of Terror'. Probably would be more like it.
  13. DewbackRider88 Jedi Padawan

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    In terms of continuity and explenations, dont look to the TOS for any of it really lol

    And thats a point Koohi, where were the andorians in this? lol not even in the background, thats where.
  14. Sven_Starcrown Jedi Youngling

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    That's definitely Elite Force 2.

    Thanks.

    I am goraq.
  15. MistrX Jedi Master

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    [link=http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71093/star-trek-r1us-bd-in-november.html]DVD and Blu-ray details.[/link] It's scheduled for a November 17th release.

    And look at that, Ben Burtt will be featured in one of the Blu-ray's extras! Guess what it'll be about?
  16. Koohii Jedi Master

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    toenail clippings?

    I see what might be the scene with young Kirk & family that leads to stealing the car. Hopefully Kobiyashi Maru (original version) has Kirk acting less like a punk who needs to be bitch-slapped.
  17. The_Smirking_Revenge Jedi Youngling

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    All I'm going to say is: if Lucas had gone the way Abrams' went, we'd have a kick ass saga instead of one kick ass trilogy... Because the new trek blew away the PT as far as I'm concerned... And let's face it, the Trekkies needed the boost. ;)

    And, I don't recall who complained about it, but all we needed was one line to explain the "parallel/alternate reality" concept. What do you want an entire movie to explain it to you, what a f-ing waste. And that one line made the entire film work and makes it so Abrams can truly re-imagine the ST universe, to a degree...

    I thought this was one of the best flicks I'd seen all year...

    - T_S_R
  18. Koohii Jedi Master

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    I'll grant you that. This was the first time I was even remotely engaged by a trek movie since Trek 6 back in 1990(?)

    that would be lots of people, including me. ;) But that was only one of the holes that annoyed me.

    Well, it's not like there's been much in the way of competition...
    Pixar's "UP" (excellent) and "Harry Potter 6" (eh) are about it.
  19. Jek_Windu Jedi Padawan

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    You're right. Could make for interesting times for the sequels, what with the Klingons so suddenly vastly weakened.

    They're out in deep space commanding the rest of the fleet. Admirals are desk jockeys who decide policy and overall strategy; Commodores are Admirals still keeping their assess in the chair. I figure they made Pike an admiral at the end because his wounds were probably too severe to allow him to serve in a field capacity.
  20. Jan_Wahlor Jedi Youngling

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    I wouldnt mind if Trek would abandon socialism.

    What about you guys?
  21. Kol_Skywalker Jedi Padawan

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    It wouldn't be Star Trek then.

    Don't get me wrong, I am definately NOT a socialist, but the 'utopian' theme is part of the underlying core theme of Star Trek.

    What you are wanting it seems is a TV show called:

    "Ferengi in Space"
  22. Jek_Windu Jedi Padawan

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    Despite the risk of making the show political, I would really like to see a story focusing on the everyday lives of Federation civilians.

    Also, are you sure the Federation is socialist and not simply a post-scarcity society?
  23. Koohii Jedi Master

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    Well, with the federation severely damaged, and the vulcan race nearly destroyed, maybe this federation will be less touchy/feely, and more pound & smack. Maybe the Andorians will be the new top advisors, helping humans direct the course of their exploration/conquest of the universe.
    For fun, how about a flash forward to Tuvok suddenly disappearing and being replaced by an Andorian? Never mind--that's silly. Better to just imagine how Voyager might have been better that way.
    How about the Kzinti beating up on the Klingon Empire?
    How about the other races using their treaties to drag the Federation into wars with traditional enemies, kinda like WWI?
    How about a personality transplant for upstart punk Kirk so that he actually has something besides attitude?
  24. Jan_Wahlor Jedi Youngling

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    All we need is Starfleet remainig the same, the whole thing is centered around that aspect of society anyway.
  25. Espaldapalabras Jedi Master

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    You mean a show about exploring and finding a new place to create your society in a new place with limited resources, instead of a show about a whiny wimps who just want to go home to mommy?
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