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Official Info J.J. Abrams to direct and co-write Star Wars: Episode IX (see warning on page 34 before posting)

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  1. jaqen Chosen One

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    Not at all.

    And didn't sources say RJ was offered first, but turned it down?
  2. Birkendoc Co-Purveyor of ST Trivia

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    I think that's it. We as viewers don't know the character's trajectories to even speculate what direction JJ is receiving them. So before we jump all over JJ and declare he's ruining IX, (actually, I encourage people to go back and read reviews for TFA. They really are refreshing to read nearly two years later) we need to know who's standing at the end of TLJ and what direction are each of them pointing.

    • Leia: She's the 600 pound gorilla in the room. And she's the character the vast majority are the most concerned about. There's no escaping the fact that Carrie Fisher has passed away, and we're all uneasy with Leia's trajectory. I have no doubt that Johnson has really given this great thought in post-production. He will have the first influence on a post-carrie sage. Does she live through TLJ? Does she die at the end? Those are the big first questions. And if she survives TLJ, where does JJ take her? It would be, in my opinion, a cheap parlor trick to keep her alive but offscreen for all of IX to keep the illusion alive. I suspect there will be a lot of collaboration between the RJ and JJ et al to bring her story to a proper conclusion. And honestly, I trust JJ a bamillion times more than I did CT to bring her final chapter to a proper and respectful close.
    • Luke: He was JJ's mystery box in TFA that Johnson needs to reveal. But where does he go heading into IX. As Star Wars, Inc has said many different ways, the ST is very much the next generation's story. For those looking for a story that is All About Luke, they may be disappointed by how he is portrayed. But that's not to say he plays a very important and pivotal supporting role in this saga. Does he make it out of TLJ alive? Does he survive IX. Does he die, going down the hero he always has been. Or does he get a farewell that is satisfying yet ambiguous on par with Bilbo Baggins sailing off for Tol Eressea? JJ reintroduced characters we all have known and loved for 40 years. It will be his job to bring their stories to a close with the care and reverence each deserves.
    • Rey: How does she conquer her shadow? Does she remain in the light? Does she descend into darkness only to emerge victorious and stronger on the other side? Does she, like Merida in Brave, fight for her own hand and define herself as a hero (the answer is yes by the way)? Does she need help from her friends and frenemies to complete the journey? After all , Star Wars has always been a team event.
    • Kylo: If Johnson intentionally plans to rip all of Kylo's internal scars and traumas open for the galaxy to see, what comes next? He's the Skywalker heir, so how does JJ put him back together? Does he remain evil and descend further into darkness, or does Ben Solo emerge from the facade that is Kylo Ren and reclaim his true birthright not as Vader's grandson but rather Anakin Skywalkers?
    • Finn: JJ set him free from being just a worker bee in the FO yet challenged him to take up a different cause. He's risen to the occasion thus far in his own hero's journey. What choices will he make, and where will his journey take him between TLJ and IX?
    So many of the variables are unknown at this point. So before we condemn JJ for a failure on a film that hasn't seen much in preproduction, we need to see what transpires in the Last Jedi and see what canvass he is given to paint the final chapter of this trilogy.
  3. BloodStripe Jedi Grand Master

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    That's fair. Finn, in particular, is regarded as largely a Kasdan creation.
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  4. Nipuhanipera Jedi Grand Master

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    Or maybe the superhero genre just isn't his thing? That happens. Ang Lee failed with Hulk, for example.
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  5. ewoksimon Jedi Master

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    Whatever the final duel in Episode IX looks like, I hope Abrams opts for a better way to stage it. Parts of the forest duel in TFA are nicely executed, but others are a bit messy.
  6. afrojedi Jedi Knight

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    At the very least, this saga becomes largely a JJ/Rian thing and not the potentially disjointed pass the stick storytelling of JJ, Rian and Colin. That said a concern I have is about JJ sticking the landings. He's great coming out of the blocks, sometimes the wrapping up part needs more polish.
  7. Darth_Articulate Jedi Master

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    Because of course they would be *terrified* of whiny internet fan speak. I would think, however, that were they to replace Carrie because of story demands, they would focus on acting ability first, resemblance second.
  8. Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films

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    Several users have now been banned. If you'd like to join them then please continue the PT vs ST crap that we've warned you several times to drop. There's plenty of space left in the Unban Request forum I assure you.
  9. Chewies_bandolier Jedi Grand Master

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    Ok.

    How about:

    Leia is an iconic character associated with the late American actor, Carrie Fisher. Her multitude of grieving fans (whiny or not) can reasonably be expected to be upset about her being replaced by another actor, irrespective of how the story would be served. This may affect the commercial potential of the product which will give shareholders a reduced profit margin and may harm the brand in the long turn.
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  10. Birkendoc Co-Purveyor of ST Trivia

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    Not really.

    It could be a simple as RJ didn't want to work 5 years non-stop on Star Wars. Whoever is now running IX with screenwriting and pre-production needs to start now. Rian is still in post-production for TLJ and would likely be spreading himself too thin to a do an efficient and proper job on both if he was trying to juggle too many things at once.

    And JJ has made it public he hates uprooting his family. He wasn't ever scheduled to do TLJ because that means he and his family would be residing in England for five years. Neither of these writer/directors wanted to be the next Peter Jackson where they put their lives on hold for 5 + years and focus on one saga. There are few that are willing to do just that.
  11. Darth_Articulate Jedi Master

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    I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that vital story demands which are left unmet will ultimately effect the long term audience demand for the product more than any short term boycotting arising from fans that can't let go of their personal attachments. A well told, compelling story keeps the audience enthralled and coming back and far outlives stubborn clinging to the past. Carrie Fisher brought something unique to the character of Leia to the 5 movies in which she portrayed her. That doesn't mean another actress can't, just as skillfully, bring their own unique take. I'm not suggesting the character be in the movie just for the sake of the character being in the movie, but if the story demands it, it is the responsibility of the artists involved to make it happen. If not, then not.


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  12. DarkMark Jedi Grand Master

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    I'd be fine with Jodie Foster being brought in to play Leia, on the basis that Carrie would find it hilarious, having joked for years about being fired from ANH and replaced with Foster.
  13. Bob Effette Jedi Knight

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    Any person so enamoured with the late Carrie Fisher that they would be so upset about another actress taking up the role to serve the story (a potential aspect of any professional actor's career) that they would boycott the movie doesn't deserve to be called a Star Wars fan at all.
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  14. ThisHurricane Jedi Knight

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    I was saying I hope JJ doesnt rehash Rotj like he did Anh.
  15. Darth_Articulate Jedi Master

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    That would also serve as the ultimate tribute to Carrie!


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  16. gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master

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    oh . Now I'm worried .
  17. Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films

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    Please take the Carrie Fisher discussion to the Carrie Fisher thread. Thank you. :)
  18. ewoksimon Jedi Master

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    Right, and among the scheduling difficulties, it's also worth pointing out that jumping straight into Episode IX after TLJ would have been a herculean task for any director. Johnson spent almost four years working on TLJ. It's like asking a mother who's just given birth when she wants to have another baby.
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  19. Chewies_bandolier Jedi Grand Master

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    Well that is your opinion, to which you are entitled, as I am to mine, which is that the risk of a backlash from replacing a beloved and very recently deceased actor, will outweigh whatever the benefits may be, to the story.

    In my opinion, though you are correct in stating that another actor may bring their own, unique take on Leia, which may serve the story well, my position is (as she is now, a 60-year-old Leia - which Carrie's face etched on her for the last 40 years in our collective memories), she and the character, through Carrie's external identification with Leia (viz "Leia is me and I am Leia") are not so easily discarded. Replacing Carrie at this stage of the game and so soon after her passing, may arguably serve to diminish her contribution by demonstrating that she is after all, replaceable, and therefore, "not Leia".

    The compromise may be that Leia's greater story, between VIII and IX, is told in another forum - as a book for example, in order to both serve the scaffolding of the ultimate as well as to preserve our collective consciousness of Carrie's contribution to Leia.

    Somewhat off topic - but one could argue that Indiana Jones sequels, could be better served in the future by recasting a somewhat more vigorous actor than a 70+ year old Harrison Ford (with the caveat before I am crucified, that a 70+-year-old Harrison Ford, is in better shape than a 30-year-old me). Obviously, this is not going to happen.


    EDIT: Carrie Fisher wall of text hidden as I am too tired to type it anywhere else (or copy paste) and only just read the above.
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  20. miasma Jedi Master

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    You know, while I do have a few minor concerns about JJ, I have to say that the more I think about it, the more I'm glad that the guy who started the trilogy will be the guy who closes it. It brings a cohesiveness to the whole thing. Besides that, I don't really know whether or not he's good at ending multi-part stories,and I'm curious to find out. He gets a lot of flack for botching the ending of Lost, despite the fact that he had absolutely nothing to do with how Lost ended. Who knows, maybe if he HAD ended Lost, he would have done a great job. It's anybody's guess.
    He also gets blamed for botching the ending of "Super 8," and yeah, that movie didn't have the greatest ending, but it's not comparable to SW because it was just one movie. If people expected him to screw up the ending of TFA based on what he did with Super 8, that would be a fair comparison and concern, but he didn't screw up the ending of TFA, so it's a moot point. Some people have pointed out that he kind of screwed up "Into Darkness," but that was basically a stand-alone movie, not a conclusion to "Star Trek."
    And as others have pointed out, I don't think he will have complete control over how the ST ends, anyway. We've already seen that KK does not shy away from yanking people off a project if she thinks they aren't doing it right. So all these fears about "Oh, nothing will get answered! He'll just dump more mystery boxes all over the place!" aren't really valid concerns. If he does start doing that, chances are we'll see an official announcement from Lucasfilm stating, "JJ Abrams and Lucasfilm have mutually decided to part ways, but we wish him the very best."
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  21. Strongbow Jedi Grand Master

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    He didn't rehash ANH. Look deeper.
  22. ThreeDeathstickProblem Force Ghost

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    This is a great point. If IX can have an ending as iconic and fulfilling as (I consider) TFA's ending, we're in for a treat.
  23. UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master

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    Recasting Leia isn't the worse idea. (I had always thought she was going to die in TLJ after the rumours of Carries behaviour in TFA.)

    I do feel they've missed the point with these films. It may make others look more fondly on previous episodes.

    I do mourn the films that could have been made in the nineties. They would have been very cool.
  24. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Krampus

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    IX will end with Leia and Chewie finally acknowledging each other and hugging.

    And you all thought JJ missed that in VII...
  25. Xael Jedi Knight

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    Exactly, whatever you think about the way Luke was handled in TFA, you cannot deny that that was one hell of an ending to the movie. Between the scenery, John Williams' score, and the final reveal of Luke, it was pure bliss IMO.

    Now imagine an ending like that, but even more meaningful, being the end of a whole trilogy and the journey of our characters.