Fanclub Jacen Solo Fan Club: Forever in the Light

Was there ever clearly said he wasn't redeemed?
Jaina said he was and her perspective is probably the most relyable.

 

Jaina dismisses it in the epilogue and it's made pretty clear the state of his soul in FOTJ, though there was ambiguity in the last chapters of Invincible.

 

Well what was said in FOTJ concretly?
I just read one scene close before the end were he seemed to be Jacen again and somewhat redeemed.

 

In Abyss he still is quite the Sith Lord-and Apocalypse he doesn't change into Jacen until Luke calls him that.

 

So you think Luke saved his soul?

 

I wouldn't say so, maybe he was working for redemption in the afterlife but in Abyss he tells Ben he is in "damnation"

 

So despite never being as brutal as Vader and making a more serious attempt of redemibg himself he went to hell?
(I mean Vader was already dying when he turned against the emperor while Jacen sacrificed his life)

 

Indeed what a tragedy

 

Never should have happened.

 

Killed billions? Let's list what he did-bombarded Kashyyk, bombarded Fondor, put corellians and Bothans in detention camps, abrogated civil liberties, and usurped a lawful government using both force and deception while conspiring with Niathal and G'sil. As it was with Kasshyk-from a moral standpoint it was terrible-however Kashyyyk was about to or had seceded from the GA and was operating in open rebellion, the fondorians had surrendered yes-but they had also seceded and were a strategic target-both were regrettable but necessary, as for his actions with the GAG-undemocratic, oppressive yet arguably justified given Corellian and Bothan support for terrorism and the dubious loyalty of their Coruscant populations.

 

I agree to that Darth Invictus
Compared to other Sith Caedus was fairly moderate, he never committed deliberatly mass murder what both Vader and the Emperor did. Bombing this planets was harsh but they rebelled against him and who rebels has to live with the consquenses. Caedus did what he had to do, but was never a sadist. He helped the galaxy with his actions, Vader only cared for himself. Jacen gave his life to prevent a dark future, Vader never did as he was already dying when he truned. There was no sacrifice in it.

 

I don't know that Vader was dying "when he turned from the Dark Side"- all Luke had done at that point was chop off his artificial hand and knock Vader to the floor. It was Palpatine's lightning that inflicted fatal damage on Vader - and that lightning did not hit Vader till he started carrying Palpatine to the pit.

The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader:

Vader watched Luke curl into a fetal position as the Emperor hurled an even more staggering wave of lightning at his victim. Vader had no doubt that Luke was about to die. His son screamed.
Not just my son...
The Emperor unleashed another round of lightning.
...or Padme's son...
Luke screamed louder
...but my son... who loves me....
Luke's clothes began to smolder as his body involuntarily spasmed. Suddenly, Vader realized that he was no longer concerned about his own personal future. Despite all the terrible, unspeakable things he'd done in his life, he knew he could not stand by and allow the Emperor to kill Luke. And, in that moment of awareness he was Darth Vader no more. He was Anakin Skywalker.

ROTJ Junior Novelization:

And then, in a moment, something changed. Perhaps he remembered something heard in his youth a long time ago: an ancient prophecy of the Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force. Perhaps the vague outlines of someone named Shmi and a Jedi named Qui-Gon struggled to the surface of his consciousness. The most powerful, the most repressed thought of all could have emerged from the darkness: Padme... and her undying love for someone he once knew well. And despite all the terrible, unspeakable things he'd done in his life, he suddenly realized he could not stand by and allow the Emperor to kill their son. And in that moment, he was no longer Darth Vader. He was Anakin Skywalker.

 

Maybe he wasn't dying but he had lost the duel against Luke. He had proven himself weak. I guess when he had done nothing the emperor would have killed him shortly afterwards.

And he turned to the darkside for selfish reasons in the first place, Jacen's reason was pure selfless idealism. He wanted to protect the galaxy and fought against those opposing him. Even Caedus rarely attacked someone who wasn't his enemy. In contrast to Vader who slaughtered children and civilians alike. So saying that Jacen was worse than Vader is just wrong, he never came even close to his grandfathers selfish cruelity.
It's just that Vader is a beloved movie character and Jacen one of the most disliked novel characters, that's the reason people like and forgive Vader but condem Jacen.

 

Precisely Anedon precisely Jacen and Vader's motivations are as different as night and day.

 

I really loved Jacen right up till the point he went evil, then I embarked on a twisted love hate relationship but I'd still say he was one of the best EU characters

 

Well Kashyyyk was operating in near open rebellion against his government, what did you expect him to do? Politely say sure guess you don't like me feel free to join the confederation which is planning on creating a new map of galactic power and while harboring Jedi and other terrorists?

 

Jacen forgot to take his happy pills that morning

 

Kuat was a valuable planet strategic value and all. With the Hapans bailing yeah that showed he probably overplayed his hand. But Jacen/Caedus never was that talented a politician.

I do laud the fact that he is willing to arrest his parents when it becomes clear you know they have flown with and supported and insurgent government. Takes a lot of conviction to be willing to try mom and dad for treason.

 

Agreed. Turning Jacen Sith or even Dark Side was the final nail in the coffin for me. Abject stupidity that's probably measurably worse than the kirffin' Holiday Special.

 

Now this is just the view of a tomb raiding Sith girl but personally I allways thought Jacen had more in common with Mace and Obi then his child killing grandfather. To me he seemed the far more levelheaded of his siblings and I'd of found it far more fitting for either of them to of gone dark, though I admit as a Jacen fangirl my view on this matter might be clouded hehehe

 

…Still preferred him as Jacen. Liked Caedus, but just never quite meshed with me perfectly.

I take it Caedus is decently high up on your favorite Sith list, Sinre?

 

There was literally nothing good or sane or even smart about turning Jacen Sith/Dark Side. Then again there was almost nothing good or sane or smart of the novels post-YJK. Senseless murders of trees for horrible pieces of ((^%*&*( books. They can all burn!