Fanclub Jacen Solo Fan Club: Forever in the Light

-Vergere-, I hace to agree with JediJSolo that there is little, if not no, hope to change those who don't like Jacen. That's the first law of internet debating: debates only get heater, never will they reach agreements

(I made it up, of course )

Have fun!

PS. The second law of internet debating is, debates lead to more debates

 

JediJSolo " I don¡¦t think [Tenel Ka] is very good at playing political games."

I merely said that Tenel Ka knows the game, not she is good at it. Like her grandmother's comment, Tenel is still rough at dealing with political judgements. But I think she will learn it. Afterall, she will be the next Queenmother of Hapes. Maybe we will see more about her politician side in the following novels

 

~Tyria-Solo~ I have been a supporter of Jacen and Tenel Ka's relationship from day one. I read all of the YJK books and have to say that I find Tenel Ka to be worthy of Jacen. When Danni came on to the scene in VP I was upset. I was also mad at the authors for eleminating Tenel Ka. When she came back in AOC I was hopeful for a futhering of Jacen and her's love-thing. I can't wait for SbS to come out. Not a minute too soon! Oh, I would like to join the Jacen Solo fan club! Thanx

 

ForceAlly, I apologize, I think I misinterpreted what you said. Tenel Ka?s lack of innate diplomatic ability is actually part of the reason why I think that her and Jacen should get together. Jacen does have an innate diplomatic ability that has the potential to be equal, if not superior, to his mother?s (we see some demonstrations of this in Balance Point and Rebirth). Tenel Ka and Jacen would make a great team in the Hapan senate. They would be great for each other in other ways too, but the political aspect is one of the more external and obvious ones, in my opinion.

Tyria-Solo, I think it?s safe to say, welcome to the club. It?s always good to have new members. It?s also good to have another supporter of Tenel Ka in the club.

 

JediJSolo - "hey, you have to be smart to make a living being a scientist"

For that wonderful comment, I extend a very sincere thank you. (Really though, I'm just trying to pay the bills.)

About all the possible Jacen romances, I think that would be too likely a sub-plot for the authors to explore. I've said somehwere before, and others have agreed, that Jacen will play a major role in what's to come. And a few have also pointed out that Jacen seems to be moving into a Luke type role. So therefore, let us not forget that Luke had quite a bit of galaxy saving to do before he settled down. Now I'm not saying that I want Jacen to be 40 before he scores some nookie, but a young hero can't get too distracted by a curly blonde with green eyes. Or an armless old friend.

 

you guys are too eloquent for me

Since there's no time limit, I think I'll do the bio for Conquest and Rebirth. I haven't read them yet, so I'll be sure to pay extra attention to Jacen while reading.

I don't really think Tenel Ka will aggressively pursue Jacen. She knows (although she dosen't show it) that true love isn't fought for. Instead he dilemma will be who Jacen will chose- Tenel Ka or Danni? (And it will probably be the one that dosen't die )

 

Welcome, Tyria-Solo, good to have'ya here!

Updated team :

• ForceAlly
• Balance_Point
• I-poodoo
• JediJSolo
• Jedi_Aub
• Piett_clone
• Alderaan_
• addyjedi
• _admiral_kettch_
• Jacean_Solo
• Rogue-Jedi
• MaceWinducannotdie
• mj
• Melyanna
• Tyria-Solo
• -Vergere-

As always, if any of you see any mistakes, omissions, etc, definitely point them out!

 

?I don't really think Tenel Ka will aggressively pursue Jacen. She knows (although she doesn?t show it) that true love isn't fought for.?

Alderaan_, that could be true, but Tenel Ka is someone who is more inclined to fight for what she wants than to just let it happen. I think she is the type of person who takes a more ?hands-on? approach to fate. But, that is just my opinion. There is an equal amount of evidence to support your beliefs on the matter as well. And we really don?t know how much Tenel Ka has changed since she left the academy. I?m assuming that she was apprenticed to Kirana Ti (I think I spelled that right?), but we don?t know how involved she has been in the politics of the Hapes cluster. Her personality could have changed as much as Jacen?s has, for all we know. I hope most, if not all, of this stuff is covered in Star by Star, and/or Dark Journey.

??who Jacen will chose- Tenel Ka or Danni? (And it will probably be the one that doesn?t die )?

That is actually a very sad thought, because I can see more reasons for LFL or one of the authors to kill off Tenel Ka than I can see for them killing off Danni. I mean no offence, but I hope you?re wrong about that. I truly hope that both of them survive the NJO. They both have too much they could contribute to the GFFA to simply die for dramatic purposes .

 

JediJSolo Apologies are not required. We are basically talking about the same thing

The marriage of Son of ex-Chief of State of NR and Hapes' Queenmother to be, now that's politics

 

There is a post at lit. forum talking about lightsaber handles. This reminds me that Jacen's and Tenel Ka's lightsabers are porbability the most luxurious weapons throughout the history of GFFA. One used Corusca gem, which worth a few city blocks of Coruscant according to Lando. The other used Rainbow gem from Gallinore (a star system of Hapes cluster), which is also extremely valuable

Edit: Tenel Ka's lightsaber used rancor's tooth as handel, which is at least as valuable as ivory of our world

 

"Jacen-summary" of Dark Tide II: Ruin, also by Michael A. Stackpole.

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DARK TIDE II: RUIN

In Stackpole's exciting conclusion to his duology, the Solo kids continue to equally share the spotlight along with Corran Horn.

Jacen Solo enters Ruin as early as p.17 back on Coruscant. Although all three Solo children are present (along with Han later on), the chapter is told from Jacen's perspective. Similar to an old fabric clutching together its strings to survive, Jacen mediates the tension and joy that Anakin and Jaina feel respectively. Anakin is still quite dejected over losing Chewie and alienating their father while Jaina couldn't be anymore excited over joining Rogue Squadron and fighting under their name. Despite trying to console Anakin by noting he saved Mara, Anakin is overcome with grief. Han walks in and the tension and grief between them over losing Chewie confounds.

During the 2nd Jedi meeting since the YV threat, it is decided that Corran Horn will tap his military background to lead 6 commandos and two "civilian observers" to Garqi to study the YV, coordinate with any resistance movement, and manage the escape of the people of Garqi. Ganner Rhysode will fill in as one of the "civilian observers" while Jacen, grudgingly adhering to duty, will occupy the other slot.

Following on p.39, we are witness to an intimate conversation between brother & sister, Jacen & Jaina. Jaina notes that each has had a head start on reading the other well before either knew anyone else. Starting on p.40, Jaina points out the value of taking it one step at a time and avoiding looking at the picture on a grand scale which may overwhelm you as it does to Jacen at times.

While Jacen & Jaina are having coffee together later on, Corran Horn joins them to remind Jacen not to go off on some independent mission like the one he undertook to save the slaves on Belkadan. Following orders is important in a team mission, Corran reminds Jacen, to which Jacen picks up on the fatherly tone. Jacen's keen perception through the Force will be evidenced again and again throughout the NJO.

Jaina and the Rogue Squadron escort the ship Lost Hope, with Corran, Ganner and Jacen inside, to Garqi under heavy assault. A planned explosion in the Lost Hope shocks Jaina to an unbearable anguish. Jacen feels extremely guilty for deceiving his sister to a state of extreme anguish, but he dutifully follows orders from Corran in holding back and not letting Jaina know that he's alive. She will will find out later on, Corran assures him. Corran then leads the jedi to release the Best Chance out from the Lost Hope.

While on Garqi, Corran, Ganner and Jacen learn of the YV's plans in growing an army on Garqi with experimental corral growths similar to the ones on Belkadan. The YV warriors are hunting down the cadres of slaves to test the growths in hopes of discovering an efficient implementation of a successful cadre and use it as a protocol for other armies. In order snag some of the cadre for their own testing, the jedi decide to present themselves during the next hunting game.

Jacen's enhanced sense of awareness through the Force is evidenced while the Jedi are deployed in underground tunnels awaiting the YV warriors. Jacen's senses slaves more akin to reptoids than the human slaves he saw on Belkadan. Also, Jacen could sense both Corran & Ganner itching to engage the YV. Jacen's keen sense is again evidenced later in Balance Point while Jacen & Jaina speak with Viqi Shesh and again in Conquest when Jacen searches out Booster Terrik and the Errant Venture through the Force.

Ganner looked to Jacen for reassurance and expert advise since Jacen has had more experience then Ganner since Jacen's ordeals at Helska IV (p.131). Upon looking back at the butchering on Dantooine, Jacen reflects on it:

If there had been any doubt in my mind about the ignoble nature of killi

 

Update on the bio: (volunteers more than welcome )

1. ForceAlly - THE THRAWN TRILOGY (completed)
2. Jacean_Solo - THE JEDI ACADEMY TRILOGY
3. I-poodoo - THE CRYSTAL STAR
4. Balance_Point - THE CORELLIAN TRILOGY
5. ForceAlly - YJK #1-6 (completed)
6. ? - YJK #7-11
7. JediJSolo - YJK #12-14
8. -Vergere- - NJO #1-3 (completed)
9. -Vergere- - NJO #4-5
10. Balance_Point - NJO #6
11. Alderaan_ - NJO #7-8

Don't forget that there is absolutely no time constraints here. Simply complete it at your own leisure.

 

Once again -Vergere-, your summary of the Dark Tide books was great. I only have one small suggestion. You use the word ?evidenced? a few times. I know that the word exists, and I am fairly sure that you used it correctly, but it just seems odd to me for some reason. I would have used the word ?demonstrated?, mainly because I am simply more familiar with that word. However, that could just be me?

 

"I hace to agree with JediJSolo that there is little, if not no, hope to change those who don't like Jacen."

Well that may not be entirely true.

I come before you as a Jacen critic (I distinguish between this and 'hater'. I don't hate Jacen, but I do critisize some aspects of his philosophies.) I'm not going to rehash all the issues I have with Jacen's philosophies. I'm pretty sure most of you have heard them all and I won't waste your time.

My point is, that after reading Rebirth, I'm starting to regain some respect for him, despite the fact that I disagree with some of his beliefs. In Rebirth, not only do we see him repair and stengthen his bands with his parents, but we see him learn that you can still hold on to your beliefs while helping others for the sake of the greater good. The fact that he helps his mother and father, despite the fact that he doesn't agree with them on everything, shows a profound maturity IMHO.

In any case, just letting you know that some of us can be changed.

 

Thanks again, JJS. I will most certainly replace "evidenced" by "demonstrated."

Discussion Topic:

Any suggestions on discussion topics?

I was actually wondering whether we have most of the books in which Jacen has appeared covered from the pre-NJO era. For those that have read them, can you confirm this or are we still missing some?

Also, what would you like the title of this bio to be? I was thinking along the lines of: "A Tribute to Jedi Knight Jacen Solo..." Is that alright or do you have something more suitable in mind?

 

Rokangus - Thanks for very much for your very insightful comments! They give us hope

 

"just letting you know that some of us can be changed."

Thank, Rokangus, I am more than happy to know that I was wrong about this.

Jacen's quote "Aren't you happy that I was wrong?"
-- The Lost Ones

 

"I was actually wondering whether we have most of the books in which Jacen has appeared covered from the pre-NJO era.

I've check all 6 books of JJK, Jaina and Jacen are only mentioned as being with Han and Leia back at Coruscant, because Leia don't want all of their children leave them all at once.

I think Jaina and Jecen are in the first half of I, Jedi as well. But that just the rehash of JAT in the POV of Corron.

 

"Also, what would you like the title of this bio to be?"

How about "Jacen Solo, A Jedi Meant to Be"?

 

Well the Agents of Chaos duology is going to be a really easy to write up from Jacen's perspective compared to the first three NJO books .

For the record, I did want to mention that the AoC duology ranks as my favorite NJO books to date, even as an avid Jacen Solo fan. In a series where the focus is about Jedi (The New Jedi Order), Luceno manages to weave an intricate and enthralling storyline, cloak & dagger style! Hero's Trial is some of the best storytelling I've ever read out of the NJO and I must admit, I'm not even fond of Han Solo! Luceno's attention to detail (he devotes a chapter on maintenance work done to the The Millenium Falcon, for crying out loud!) is quite impressive. The events which lead Han Solo to end up in the middle of a big plot to destroy all the Jedi (on board the Queen of Empire) and to defend the very assassins commissioned kill his Jedi children and Jedi brother-in-law is quite exciting!

Anyhow, here is Agents of Chaos I: Hero's Trial, by James Luceno, from Jacen's point of view.

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AGENTS OF CHAOS I: HERO'S TRIAL

The fact that Jacen & Jaina Solo aren't even listed in the Dramatis Personae should give some indication as to the part Jacen plays in this book: none . This is a Han Solo book through and through.

Jacen is simply mentioned as attending Chewbacca's memorial service on Kashyyyk (p.16).

Jacen is mentioned once more. And it is significant. In a Jedi meeting called by Luke on Coruscant, Luke and the Jedi want to determine whether to accept the YV defectors' request to meet. When Luke declares that he and Mara will meet with the defectors alone, Jacen shoots to his feet to once again display his exemplary cognitive abilities noting that this is a trap. Jacen even suggests that only a one of the Jedi meet with the defectors to spare risking Luke & Mara (p.237). Despite Jacen's plea, the Jedi brand together and decide to meet the defectors together at a time when segregation & caution would be most appropriate. Lowbacca & Tenel Ka are also mentioned to stand together with Luke & Mara.

Jacen has a greater role in Jedi Eclipse, but only towards the end. This later section in Jedi Eclipse has been the subject of much controversy also.


EDITED, see above.

 

ForceAlly -

How about "Jacen Solo, A Jedi Meant to Be"?

I certainly don't mind, but I was hoping to make sure the words Jedi Knight precede Jacen Solo's name in some way. Also, I'm not sure what you said quite makes sense, ForceAlly. Ok, so the choices so far:

• A Tribute to Jedi Knight Jacen Solo
• Jacen Solo, A Jedi Meant to Be

Comments on these and others?

 

"I mean no offence, but I hope you?re wrong about that."

So do I. There's enough death already. (And I must admit that I found Tenel very attractive when I first read about her) But I don't see how else the authors intend to work this out unless Jacen actually becomes a hermit.

I think we should wait a little longer before getting a title for the bio. For all we know, Jacen may leave the Jedi Order completely But until then we can just wait and sing
When Jacen comes marching home again, hurrah! Hurrah!

 

-Vergere-, excellent summaries! Especially Ruin.

I think most of the EU books Jacen appears in are covered, but he does make a brief appearance in Book I of the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, as well as a couple of tiny cameos in the HoT duology. Also, there is the Gamer #5 story "The Crystal", in which he graduates from the Jedi Academy. And as ForceAlly mentioned, he might be in I, Jedi as well (although I only read that one once and that was a while ago, so I'm not sure). I think that's all, though.

Rokangus, thanks for dropping by! It's always nice to see someone who's willing to at least allot Jacen respect, even if they don't entirely agree with his philosophies. It's much better than merely calling him a pansy and refusing to give him a second glance.

Hm, bio titles... "Jacen Solo, Jedi Knight"? Might be simple, but it works. I'll try to think of more later...

And as ForceAlly has already provided a quote, I think that's all for today. G'night, folks!

 

Rokangus, I am glad to know that some people are willing to change there opinions.

Actually -Vergere-, we still don?t have anyone to write the summaries for the YJK books #7-11. Jacen does play a fairly pivotal role in that series, and it even includes some of my favorite Jacen/Tenel Ka moments. The problem is that some of the books are extremely hard to find. I would be willing to do them, but it would take me an absurd amount of time (I have lots of tests for school coming up very soon and I need to study), so I?m not willing to plant my flag on doing those summaries quite yet (if you take my meaning). So all of those books are still up for grabs (I will not claim them until I know I will have the time to do them). (Edit: now that I think about it, you probably already know about the fact that Jacen is in those books. Sorry about that.)

I agree with you, -Vergere-, that the AoC duology was very well done. I?m not a particularly big fan of Han Solo either (I don?t dislike him, I?ve just always been more interested in what the Jedi are up to), but I did enjoy those books when I read them. However, I was disappointed in the book?s shortcomings when it came to Jacen?s character (and not just the fact that those parts of the books were short to begin with). I didn?t quite feel that the author understood Jacen as well as R.A. Salvatore, or Michael Stackpole, did. I don?t disagree with anything that Jacen did in the books, but some of the things that were going through Jacen?s head were not explored as much as I would have liked. But as usual, that could just be me.

Hmm? What to name this summary of Jacen?s life? -Vergere- has a good idea, but so does ForceAlly. Balance_Point has a good suggestion too. I don?t know?.. The only thing I can come up with is ?The creation of a modern Jedi philosopher, animal lover, and prophet; Jacen Solo?, but that might be a little extreme. In fact, it probably is. ?Animal lover? might be taken the wrong way by some of the people in the lit forum, and ?prophet? might be an exaggeration (he has seen more visions in the NJO than Luke has, and he has tried to become more of a conduit for the Force?s will, but? I don?t know?). I?ll work on it, and if I can come up with something better, I'll let you know.

Edit: I need to learn to post faster and with less mistakes. If I make another edit, I?ll be committing a crime!

 

Jacen is in I, Jedi, but it's nearly exactly the same as in the Jedi Academy Trilogy, only from the point of view of Corran Horn. I can do that one also since I'm doin the Jedi Academy Trilogy also, if no one else wants it.