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Lit James Lucenso's stuff needs to stay

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Brenapp, May 7, 2014.

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  1. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Indeed, the question should be:

    James Lucenso does he contradict NU.
     
  2. Grey1

    Grey1 Host: 181st Imperial Discussion Group star 4 VIP

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    No. While Luceno did his best to embrace all EU, Lucenso's job is to censor the EU and thus embrace the NEU.
     
  3. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    James Luceno is my favorite EU-author. While his older novels aren't canon, the stories won't go anywhere. In a way, I'm glad that Darth Plagueis is no longer canon (or never was canon to begin with). I found it a bit strange and not really fitting that Plagueis lived into TPM.
     
  4. Duguay

    Duguay Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    The matter of canonicity is unimportant, what matters is whether the story is enjoyable to an individual reader. Keep in mind that when we travel far enough forward in time, Heir to the Jedi, Tarkin and any subsequent "new EU" work declared canon now can also eventually be swept away by a stroke from a new writer's pen just as easily as the old canon has supposedly done. Adhere too strongly to this concept of canon, and you will be preparing your mind for eventual feelings akin to "betrayal" down the road when the new canon gets overridden. It's all fiction, and it's meant to be fun entertainment.

    Regarding Plagueis's presence in the background of the movie, I've speculated in the discussion thread for Darth Plagueis that it's a metatextual tactic employed to make readers feel like Plagueis has continued to exist in a period of SW history that is going to be unnatural to all of us readers who expected him to have been long dead. We're supposed to think his presence throughout TPM is wrong. It heightens that sense that Plagueis really has gone quite far in harnessing the Force to accomplish extremely unnatural outcomes: he is supposed to be dead and is so powerful he is confounding even the expectations of observers (us) outside of his own universe.

    I can't prove it, but if true it's an extraordinary measure to go to that length to accomplish that effect. Really raises my estimation of James Luceno as a writer, who I've already thought very highly of before this.
     
  5. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    [face_laugh] I love the term
     
  6. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Luceno should definitely be the chancellor of the new EU.
     
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  7. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    With Drew Karpyshyn as Vice Chancellor.
     
  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Why? Karpyshan doesn't strike me as the canon type.
     
  9. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    Sorry for the double post.
     
  10. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #2 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    Because I haven't read a single story of his that I have disliked :)

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  11. Draconarius

    Draconarius Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  12. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Are we gonna make these threads for every single book that's come out? Because I think most of the time, they will be referenced and nothing more will be said about it.

    Plus, if they want to move forward with stories, there's nothing that precludes both stories from happening unless on directly contradicts something in the other.

    In other words, exactly the same as it's always been, except Leland Chee's job is more meaningless. :p
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    So Leland is that guy in KOTOR2 trying to sell us a busted holocron? :p


    Missa ab iPhona mea est.
     
  14. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ralon. His name was Ralon. Ralon Chee?
     
  15. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    I like to go out on a limb more than anyone (I think Anakin's abrupt introduction into Episode I 30 minutes into the movie was an intentional technique meant to set him up as a force outside the context of mundane galactic history), but even I think that theory is a bit of a stretch. I think it was just an attempt to tie into the 3D release of Episode I that happened around the same time.
     
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  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I agree. It's something that I won't miss.
     
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  17. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, that was pretty much what I said. I've always looked on the EU as "what-ifs" (starting with the Marvel comics that I, even as a kid in the mid-80s, didn't regard as "true Star Wars") and as I mentioned in another thread, I nearly quit the EU after the NJO and LOTF and instead bought novels by authors I liked (such as James Luceno) while staying clear of FOTJ etc.
     
  18. Praenomen Cognomen

    Praenomen Cognomen Jedi Master star 4

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    Wait, really? Employing a literary technique is going out on a limb, but believing it was a marketing tie-in (beyond the setting itself) isn't? You really believe in the logistical power of the marketing department if you think they get that into the details of the books being written over at Del Rey... [face_tee_hee]

    I don't see it as having been a huge stretch to do what Duguay suggests. It would've simply been a matter of sitting down and outlining it with Lucas Licensing, saying, "Well, obviously he'll have to die before TPM... but wait a minute... what if he didn't?"
     
  19. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    So... you're saying I have to download a mod to make Leland work? :confused:
     
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