PT Jar Jar and the Senate

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  1. Legacy Jedi Endordude Jedi Grand Master

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    So the other day me any a friend of mine randomly got on the topic of star wars, and I mentioned that i actually liked Jar Jar, though i still think he's annoying, he totally disagrees, he hates Jar Jar, and think's he is stupid. And I was OK with that.

    He only watched the movies, and he like all of them, but he's not as big as a fan as I am.

    So we were discussing Jar Jar and we some how got to the senate, and how he got in it. He though it was stupid that Jar Jar was put in the senate because he was, and I quote, "retarded." But then I went on and told him about how Palpatine used Jar Jar to bring him to power, maybe Palpatine had some thing to do with getting him in there in the first place. And I also told him Jar Jar might have matured a little bit. (though I kinda doubt that)

    I personally think the whole Jar Jar and the Senate thing worked out fine, while i'd rather see him become a warrior in the Gungan army instead, but it's all OK, i do like that he's a Senator.

    So, what's your take, do you think Jar Jar should have been in the senate, why or why not. And also, did you like how Jar Jar unknowingly helped bring Palpatine to power?
  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Ehh. After the last few weeks Jar-Jar makes a pretty fair number of US Senators look downright dull-witted. So the stupid thing is okay :p

    And YES. I love the Empire being Jar-Jar's fault.

    "Mesa might be what yousa callin clumsy.."




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    Above: Clumsy.
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  3. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    I don't get the reference to Jar Jar and the death star on Alderaan.
  4. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    That's okay. I'm sure you'll figure it out by asking repeatedly.
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  5. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Jar Jar wasn't annoying. I don't nitpick the prequels, like many people do. Vader's transformtation from human to cyborg made up for everything bad about the prequels. There were other redeeming aspects, too.

    He was just a boring character. But who cares if he's boring? There's far more to the film than some minor character to nitpick over.
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  6. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    He wasn't a Senator. He was the Gungan Representative.
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  7. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    He was both.
  8. MrFantastic74 Jedi Grand Master

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    Whether he was a Senator or a Representative, it matters not. He should not have been sitting in the Senate in any capacity. There should be a minimum IQ requirement, but alas...

    Anyway, we all know Palpatine put him there for a reason, and yes, Jar Jar is responsible for the Empire and the deaths of millions of innocents. How yousa feel now, bombad Senator? Yousa shoulda stayed wit da brisky mornin' munchin'.
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  9. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    In the Star Wars saga, different species have varying levels of intellects. As far as I know, the Sentate's job is to represent all civilized populations. So, you really can't keep idiots like Jar Jar out.
  10. Zeta1127 Force Ghost

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    I find it intriguing that Jar Jar was unwittingly involved in Palpatine's machinations.
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  11. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Where was jar jar during the OT? Was that jar jar's voice at the end of Jedi?
  12. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    No. Jar Jar has no part whatsoever in the OT. He is not referenced at all, much like Ahsoka is not referenced at all.
  13. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    But he became part of the story later on. He didnt just dissapear in the OT. The OT and the PT are the same storyline.
  14. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm not saying that he vanished into thin air. He just is not mentioned at all. Sly Moore is never mentioned in the OT.
  15. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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  16. Jordan1Kenobi Host of EUC Battle of... Games

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    Wait what? Palpatine used Jar Jar to help bring him into power? But it's not just Jar Jar's fault that he was brought into power, all of the senators had to vote and it was Padme who said she wanted him to replace Vallorum to the whole senate.
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  17. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    Do I think that he should be a senator? No. Do I understand why he became one? Yes. Do I mind it? No.

    That's actually a very good point against some people.
  18. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm saying that just because Jar Jar was in the PT does not mean he has any part in the OT.
    The character wasn't even dreamed up until after the OT.
  19. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    If Jar Jar was a complete fool, Padme wouldn't let him in the Senate. Padme did make a few bonehead mistakes as well, so I guess there is enough foolishness to go around.
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  20. Samnz Force Ghost

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    Whatever Jar Jar is not or what he is, he has something that many politicians (in real world too) lack: a good heart.
    He brought the Naboo and the Gungans together, therefore he stood for diplomacy and understanding and not for war, which makes his Senate presence much more fitting than membership in the army (which someone suggested here).

    Sure, Jar Jar was easily manipulated. But what's the real ill:
    The one who is easy to manipulate or the one who is manipulating?
    Without evil monsters like Palpatine, Jar Jar as a representative (alongside Senator Amidala, with who he united their planet) of the united Naboo would be no problem. It would be the best thing.
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  21. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Jar Jar binks looks like a dinosaur. Did anyone else notice that?
  22. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    But Jar Jar was not the only one who was manipulated. Padme, Anakin, the Jedi and the entire Galactic Senate were all manipulated. But I cannot completely blame Palpatine for this. Those who were manipulated had put themselves into that position with their own weaknesses.
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  23. obi-rob-kenobi4 Force Ghost

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    Its such a cop-out for people to say "UP! there ya go! it was ALLL just jar-jars fault!" No. If it wasn't him Palpatine would have just manipulated someone/ANYONE else.

    Jar-jar is not "retarded" nor is he even "weak minded" he is one of the good guys. He may not be a fighter but he is every bit as kind, thoughtful and compassionate as Padme.

    In Episode one he and Padme united the two societies of the Naboo and saved the planet by teaching them how to help each other and co-exist as part of the natural symbiotic circle they formed.

    In Episode two Padme represented the planet Naboo as a senator and naturally jar-jar was simply a representative of the gungans, his people. Chancellor Palpatine (the most powerful and insidious sith master who ever lived) wanted unlimited powers so he got rid of Padme through treachery and deceived jar-jar into making the proposal that would have always happened no matter what. Palpatine had already won in The Phantom Menace when Padme called for the vote of no confidence in the old chancellor (again because she was deceived by palpatine).

    The point Lucas made with this is that Evil people take advantage of kind, genuine, well meaning people with deception and fear. Very simple.

    If anything its things like this that make the PT a VERY dark fairy tale story with heavy deception, betrayal and an overall major arc of taking all the nice, innocent, beautiful things that were introduced in the first act and bitterly destroying them in the 3rd act.
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  24. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Including the weak-minded.
  25. MrFantastic74 Jedi Grand Master

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    I think that's an insult to the Gungans. I don't think they were all as idiotic as Jar Jar. Captain Tarples, for example, seemed to have a good head on his shoulders.
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