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Jedi Council Members from pre TPM throughout Revenge of the Sith

Discussion in 'Literature' started by MasterBnar, Apr 8, 2005.

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  1. Xzylon

    Xzylon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Note: Mundi died 19 BBY, not 22 BBY, sorry for the mistake.

    Most likely order of succession:

    Yoda
    Tiin
    Windu
    Tyvokka (died)>Koon
    Giiett (died)>Sifo-Dyas? (died)>Mundi
    Rancisis (died)>Pablo-Jill
    Koth (died)>Kolar
    Billaba>Leem (died)>Kenobi
    Gallia>Purple>Allie
    Yaddle (died)>Ti
    Poof (died)>Trebor (died)>Fisto
    Piell>Skywalker

    "Musical Chairs":
    1Tyvokka>Koon
    2Windu
    3Yoda
    4Giiett>Dyas?>Mundi
    5Tiin>Kenobi
    6Yaddle>Ti>Kolar
    7Piell>Skywalker
    8Rancisis>Jill
    9Gallia>Allie>Tiin
    10Poof>Trebor>Fisto
    11Koth>Kolar>Allie
    12Billaba>Kenobi>Ti
     
  2. MasterBnar

    MasterBnar Jedi Youngling star 1

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    how does Eeth Koth die?
     
  3. Xzylon

    Xzylon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He gets into a gunship on geonosis and blows up!
     
  4. jawajames

    jawajames Former RSA // stawars.com contributor star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    i remember reading somewhere that the council has 3 types of members, based on length of term: life, long-term, and short-term. i can't recall if this was an even split (4 lifers, 4 long termers, 4 short termers) or had some other arrangement. anyone else recall this? also, it could be possible that a jedi that had served as a short timer could later be moved to the long timer or lifer chairs...

    i think it safe to assume that Yoda is a lifer, and probably also Mace, since he's in charge. Tyvokka, as a wookiee with longevity might have made a good lifer, although whether it means that Plo Koon got a life term or someone else did is up to debate.

    Yoda (life term)
    Tiin
    Windu (life term)
    Tyvokka (died)>Koon
    Giiett (died)>Sifo-Dyas? (died)>Mundi
    Rancisis (died)>Pablo-Jill
    Koth (died)>Kolar
    Billaba (vegetable)>Leem (died)>Kenobi
    Gallia>Purple>Allie
    Yaddle (died)>Ti
    Poof (died)>Trebor (died)>Fisto
    Piell>Skywalker

    "Musical Chairs":
    1Tyvokka>Koon
    2Windu
    3Yoda
    4Giiett>Dyas?>Mundi
    5Tiin>Kenobi
    6Yaddle>Ti>Kolar
    7Piell>Skywalker
    8Rancisis>Pablo-Jill
    9Gallia>Allie>Tiin
    10Poof>Trebor>Fisto
    11Koth>Kolar>Allie
    12Billaba>Kenobi>Ti

    also, does it seem odd that the jedi council spots are often filled by former padawans or friends of jedi council members. Windu trained Billaba. Tyvokka trained Koon and dying-wished him to his spot. kenobi trains skywalker. gallia's relative allie gets on the council.

    seems like a little clique here, grooming a particular set of jedi to be on the council...
     
  5. lastofthemohicans

    lastofthemohicans Jedi Youngling

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    whos seat does anakin take on the council and does that person die?....and if so how?
     
  6. Kast_Morben

    Kast_Morben Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Just thinking of this in view of RotS.

    RotS Coucnil -

    Mace Windu
    Plo Koon
    Ki Adi Mundi
    Yoda
    Agen Kolar
    Obi Wan Kenobi
    Shaak Ti
    Saesee Tiin
    Pablo-Jill (?)
    Stass Allie
    Kit Fisto
    Anakin Skyalker

    I think it is best to say that Obi-Wan took Oppo's seat following the siege of Saleucami.

    I think it is probably Even's seat that opens up for Anakin. This wqould probably place Even's death during RotS (probably in the outer rim sieges.

    Perhaps that was even revelaed in the briefing that Anakin missed ;)

    Any one have any other suggestions?
     
  7. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    >>"I think it is best to say that Obi-Wan took Oppo's seat following the siege of Saleucami."<<

    Kenobi was on the Council around the time of Jedi Trial and Dark Rendezvous, possibly receiving the promotion after his little "secret mission" in Jedi Trial/
     
  8. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Yup, from what I recall, Kenobi was on the council as far back as the Vjun mission.

    Which brings up a question I've been searching out an answer for, but no dice:

    When did Stass Allie officially join the council? In fact, has there been ANY source that establishes her appointment-date, considering that -- prior to Labyrinth of Evil -- she was mostly a complete and total zero in the SW universe, even in the EU?

    Am looking over my notes, and this is a gaping hole. Or it could simply be me.
     
  9. jedi_master_ikrit

    jedi_master_ikrit Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Since Oppo was the last Council member to die before ROTS (as far as I can tell), is it safe to assume Anakin took his seat on the council?
     
  10. GrandAlmightyMaster

    GrandAlmightyMaster Jedi Youngling star 2

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    A little off track but I got the impression from somewhere that not all of the members of the council were masters. Needless to say I was a little suprised when Anakin threw a fit for not being made a master in RotS. Have the members always been masters or did everyone recive a sudden promotion when Lucas decided to overlook the point?
     
  11. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Leto II posted on 5/26/05 9:40am
    Yup, from what I recall, Kenobi was on the council as far back as the Vjun mission.

    Which brings up a question I've been searching out an answer for, but no dice:

    When did Stass Allie officially join the council? In fact, has there been ANY source that establishes her appointment-date, considering that -- prior to [i]Labyrinth of Evil[/i] -- she was mostly a complete and total zero in the SW universe, even in the EU?

    Am looking over my notes, and this is a gaping hole. Or it could simply be me.
    [hr][/blockquote]

    Since Stass Allie was supposed to be Adi Gallia in AotC(but was changed because the actress was so different), and since she is basically a Gallia clone, that kinda diminishes her "OMG KEWL" factor in the EU. So all we know is that she took Gallia's place after TPM and (shortly) before AotC.
     
  12. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Have the members always been masters or did everyone recive a sudden promotion when Lucas decided to overlook the point?

    The only Jedi this affects is Mr Cone Head, aka Ki-Adi-Mundi.

    But then again, his backstory also contains mega-polygamy.

    The guy attracts continuity errors like a lightning rod!

    (Maybe's its that head of his?)

    Am looking over my notes, and this is a gaping hole. Or it could simply be me.

    According to Tasty Taste, that's her on the Council in the cartoon.

    Unfortunately, the OS does a "Forum Avatar" update and identify the character as...Adi Gallia.

    Damn....you!
     
  13. Kast_Morben

    Kast_Morben Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I assumed Stass took over after Adi's death? I thought it was Adi on the council during the CWC.

    We've got to get Pablo on the council too somehow. Maybe he took over from Even, which could place his death anywhere between CWC and RotS.
     
  14. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    If any of you would be so kind as to post this to the starwars.com forum for review by the fans and Tasty Taste, I would appreciate it.

    Here is my final reconstruction of the Jedi High Council, with a few hypotheses mixed into established facts (I even fit in Tsui Choi!):

    KOTOR era (3960-3951)
    ?Nomi Sunrider: human female
    ?Dorak: human male
    ?Zhar Lestin: Twi'lek male
    ?Vandar Tokare: LGC male
    ?Atris: human female
    ?Kavar: human male
    ?Vrook Lamar: human male
    ?Lonna Vash: human female
    ?Zez-Kai Ell: human male
    ?Bala: human female
    ?Qual: Selkath male
    ?Aleco Stusea: Elfoid female

    post-KOTOR (c. 3940)
    ?Mical: human male

    pre-Stark Hyperspace Wars (90-44)
    1Tyvokka: Wookiee male
    3Yoda: LGC male
    8Oppo Rancisis: Thisspiasian male
    ?Tor Difusal: human male
    ?Thame Cerulian: human male
    ?Jocasta Nu: human female
    ?T'un: human male

    interim: Jocasta Nu retires and becomes Archives Director

    Stark Hyperspace Wars (44)
    1Tyvokka, killed in-story
    2Mace Windu: human male
    3Yoda
    4Micah Giiett: human male
    5Saesee Tiin: Iktotchi male
    6Yaddle: LGC female
    7Even Piell: Lannik male
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia: human female
    10Yarael Poof: Quermian male
    11Eeth Koth: Zabrak male
    12Depa Billaba: human female

    Acts of War (33)
    1Plo Koon: Kel Dor male, replacing Tyvokka
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Micah Giiett, killed in-story
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Yarael Poof
    11Eeth Koth
    12Depa Billaba

    The Phantom Menace
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi: Cerean male, replacing Micah Giiett
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Yarael Poof
    11Eeth Koth
    12Depa Billaba

    interim: Yarael Poof and Yaddle are killed

    Attack of the Clones (22)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti: Togruta female, replacing Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Coleman Trebor: Vurk male, replacing Yarael Poof,
    killed in-story
    11Eeth Koth, killed in-story
    12Depa Billaba

    interim: Depa Billaba falls to Dark Side
    Adi Gallia retires to fight alongside Nym

    Republic 61: Dead Ends (21)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9"Mr. Purple": Violetoid male, replacing Adi Gallia
    10Kit Fisto: Nautolan male, replacing Coleman Trebor
    11Agen Kolar: Zabrak male, replacing Eeth Koth
    12Maks Leem: Gran female, replacing Depa Billaba

    General Grievous (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9"Mr. Purple"
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Maks Leem

    interim: Mr. Purple and Maks Leem are killed

    Clone Wars #21 (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Stass Allie: human female, replacing Mr. Purple
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Obi-Wan Kenobi: human male, replacing Maks Leem

    interim: Even Piell is killed

    Republic 71: Dreadnaughts of Rendili (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Tsui Choi: Aleena female, replacing Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Stass Allie
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Obi-Wan Kenobi

    interim: Oppo Rancisis dies
    the Jedi Councilors play Musical Chairs

    Revenge of the Sith (19)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Obi-Wan Kenobi, taking Saesee Tiin's old chair
    6Agen Kolar, taking Shaak Ti's old chair
    7Anakin Skywalker: human male, replacing Tsui Choi in-story
    8Coleman Kcaj, replacing Oppo Rancisis
    9Saesee Tiin, taking Stass Allie's old chair
    10Kit Fisto
    11Stass Allie, taking Agen Kolar's old chair
    12Shaak Ti, taking Obi-Wan Kenobi's old chair
     
  15. Tyrantus

    Tyrantus Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Remember the rule how there is 5 permanent members, 4 long term members until they choose to step down, and three limited term meember? Is there anyway possible to mark them? We know Mace and Yoda were permanent if that starts us out...?
     
  16. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Acc. to the EU, in TPM, Koon, Windu, Yoda, Rancisis, and Poof are life-term; Tiin, Piell, Koth, and Billaba are long-term; and Mundi, Yaddle, Gallia are short-term.

    Note this is hard to reconcile with Lucas's statement that Mundi, Windu, and Yoda are a "senior triumvirate." Also note that in the Stark Hyperspace War Comics, Tyvokka tells Koon that if he will take his seat on the Council, it will not be permanent. Note that the EU also has Windu being a newbie on the Council in 44 BBY, and Oppo on the Council as far back as 90 BBY, yet in Jedi Apprentice (also set 44 BBY) and TPM, Windu is considered a Senior Councilor, while Oppo is not.

    I have always assumed Tor Difusal in LOTJ (90 BBY) was meant to be Mace Windu's predeccessor, therefore a life-term; as Plo Koon's predecessor, Tyvokka should be life-term, despite the dialogue to the contrary in the comic; as Mundi's predecessor, Giiett shoul be short-term; as Even Piell's successor, Anakin should be long-term, but considering his special circumstances, I reckon his term would be as long as Palpatine wanted, probably for life if the Council had not ceased to exist; as Rancisis's replacement, Coleman Kcaj should be life-term; as Yarael Poof's replacement, Coleman Trebor should be life-term, as should his successor Kit Fisto.

    Now, the musical chairs make things complicated, but here goes:

    a) on Depa Billaba's "forced retirement," Maks Leem assumedly replaced her as a long-term, and was in turn replaced by OB1, also long-term

    b) on Yaddle's death, she was replaced by Shaak Ti, assumedly short-term; upon the end of her short-term, Shaak Ti was reelected to the Council, but long-term, and took Kenobi's seat, which had once been Billaba's

    c) Saesee Tiin's long-term ended at the same time as Shaak Ti's short-term, and Obi-Wan moved into Saesee Tiin's original seat, remaining long-term, while Saesee Tiin was reelected, but this time short-term, and moved into the seat that had belonged to Stass Allie, and originally to Adi Gallia

    d) at the same time as "c," Agen Kolar's long-term ended, and he was reelected short-term, taking the former seat of Shaak Ti, once Yaddle's

    e) when Adi Gallia's short-term ended, she was replaced by Mr. Purple; when his short-term ended (or he was killed?), he was replaced by Stass Allie; when her short-term ended, her short-term chair was taken by Saesee Tiin, while Allie herself was reelected as long-term, taking the chair that had belonged to Agen Kolar, and previously to Eeth Koth

    f) when Eeth Koth died, his long-term chair was taken by Agen Kolar; when Agen's long-term ended, the long-term chair was given to Stass Allie, while Agen himself was reelected to the short-term chair once held by Shaak Ti

    Basically:

    Seat 1 (Life)
    Tvokka>Plo Koon
    Seat 2 (Life)
    Tor Difusal>Mace Windu>
    Seat 3 (Life)
    Yoda
    Seat 4 (Short)
    Micah Giiett>Ki-Adi-Mundi
    Seat 5 (Long)
    Saesee Tiin>Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Seat 6 (Short)
    Yaddle>Shaak Ti>Agen Kolar
    Seat 7 (Long)
    Even Piell>Tsui Choi?>Anakin Skywalker [special]
    Seat 8 (Life)
    Oppo Rancisis>Coleman Kcaj
    Seat 9 (Short)
    Adi Gallia>Mr. Purple>Stass Allie>Saesee Tiin
    Seat 10 (Life)
    Yarael Poof>Coleman Trebor>Kit Fisto
    Seat 11 (Long)
    Eeth Koth>Agen Kolar>Stass Allie
    Seat 12 (Long)
    Depa Billaba>Maks Leem>Obi-Wan Kenobi>Shaak Ti
     
  17. Tyrantus

    Tyrantus Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I tip my hat to you Senator_Cilghal, as that's a lot of work you put into that information. If I had the material, I'd done it myself, but I haven't got access to most of the comics. It is indeed complicated, as these Jedi must enjoy playing musical chairs. The Lucas claim of Ki-Adi, Mace, and Yoda being the 'senior triumvirate' could be that he just meant they are the big guys in the movie. The only people in the council in the movies that lays the word down. I looked up triumvirate and it just states a group of three people. Of course, there were others but this definition is one that applies to us. Again, I think he basically meant, in the movies they are the three who get the lines and stuff.
     
  18. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    I just noticed Quentin's info about Adi Gallia being the CW cartoon Corellian instead of Stass Allie--a reversal of official policy! [Although, personally, I always thought that looked more like Adi than Stass].

    This means I have ha to revise my lists. The only way I can figure to make it work is to have Even Piell go MIA and temporarily be replaced by "Mr. Purple," but return to the Jedi before Anakin is knighted; Stass, we now see, never actually sat in Adi's chair, and so replaced Gallia only in the sense of being added to the Council upon Adi's death--Saesee Tiin actually moved into Adi's empty chair, Kenobi moved into Saesee's former chair, Shaak Ti into Kenobi's empty chair, Kolar into Shaak Ti's empty chair, and Allie into Kolar's empty chair; thus, it seems Adi Gallia's death at the Battle of Boz Pity is the even responsible for the Musical Chairs.

    here it is, version 3.0 (and I still fit in Mr. Purple and Tsui Choi!):

    KOTOR era (3960-3951)
    ?Nomi Sunrider: human female
    ?Dorak: human male
    ?Zhar Lestin: Twi'lek male
    ?Vandar Tokare: LGC male
    ?Atris: human female
    ?Kavar: human male
    ?Vrook Lamar: human male
    ?Lonna Vash: human female
    ?Zez-Kai Ell: human male
    ?Bala: human female
    ?Qual: Selkath male
    ?Aleco Stusea: Elfoid female

    post-KOTOR (c. 3940)
    ?Mical: human male

    pre-Stark Hyperspace Wars (90-44)
    1Tyvokka: Wookiee male
    3Yoda: LGC male
    8Oppo Rancisis: Thisspiasian male
    ?Tor Difusal: human male
    ?Thame Cerulian: human male
    ?Jocasta Nu: human female
    ?T'un: human male

    interim: Jocasta Nu retires and becomes Archives Director

    Stark Hyperspace Wars (44)
    1Tyvokka, killed in-story
    2Mace Windu: human male
    3Yoda
    4Micah Giiett: human male
    5Saesee Tiin: Iktotchi male
    6Yaddle: LGC female
    7Even Piell: Lannik male
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia: human female
    10Yarael Poof: Quermian male
    11Eeth Koth: Zabrak male
    12Depa Billaba: human female

    Acts of War (33)
    1Plo Koon: Kel Dor male, replacing Tyvokka
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Micah Giiett, killed in-story
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Yarael Poof
    11Eeth Koth
    12Depa Billaba

    The Phantom Menace
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi: Cerean male, replacing Micah Giiett
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Yarael Poof
    11Eeth Koth
    12Depa Billaba

    interim: Yarael Poof and Yaddle are killed

    Attack of the Clones (22)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti: Togruta female, replacing Yaddle
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Coleman Trebor: Vurk male, replacing Yarael Poof,
    killed in-story
    11Eeth Koth, killed in-story
    12Depa Billaba

    interim: Depa Billaba falls to Dark Side

    Republic 61: Dead Ends (21)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Kit Fisto: Nautolan male, replacing Coleman Trebor
    11Agen Kolar: Zabrak male, replacing Eeth Koth
    12Maks Leem: Gran female, replacing Depa Billaba

    interim: Even Piell goes MIA

    General Grievous (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Mr. Purple, while Even Piell MIA
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Maks Leem

    interim: Maks Leem is killed
    Even Piell returns to the Temple

    Clone Wars #21 (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Obi-Wan Kenobi: human male, replacing Maks Leem

    interim: Even Piell is killed

    Republic 71: Dreadnaughts of Rendili (20)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Windu
    3Yoda
    4Ki-Adi-Mundi
    5Saesee Tiin
    6Shaak Ti
    7Tsui Choi: Aleena female, replacing Even Piell
    8Oppo Rancisis
    9Adi Gallia
    10Kit Fisto
    11Agen Kolar
    12Obi-Wan Kenobi

    interim: Adi Gallia and Oppo Rancisis are killed
    the Jedi Councilors play Musical Chairs

    Revenge of the Sith (19)
    1Plo Koon
    2Mace Win
     
  19. Tyrantus

    Tyrantus Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Where did this come from? Strass was confirmed in the Visual Dictionary, Labyrinth of Evil, and a ton of other resources. There's also the Official Site's databank entry for her...
     
  20. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Stass IS the Jedi Councilor in Labyrinth of Evil and ROTS; that has not changed. What HAS changed is that the Jedi Councilor in Clone Wars Cartoon #21, where Anakin gets knighted (about 6 mos. before ROTS), was originally pegged as Stass Allie by Leland Chee, but the Official Site has now declared her to be Adi Gallia instead, which means Stass did not replace Adi Gallia on the Council while Adi was still alive (as I previously believed), but replaced Adi when Adi died at Boz Pity.

    LOE calls her "Adi's replacement," but she never sat in Adi's chair; in fact, we may just disregard LOE so-calling her. After all, ROTS novel claims OB1 sat in Oppo's former chair, which he obviously does not (sitting in Depa's in CW21 and in Saesee's in ROTS; Oppo never sat in either of these chairs, his chair was filled by Coleman Kcaj).
     
  21. Master_Uxi

    Master_Uxi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    No need for the "Term-type" of a chair to be inherited. Instead, status could be based on seniority. A mix would seem more likely... Think of it as US Supreme Court vacancies. The Chief Justice position is independent from the Associate Justice. If Rhenquist retires, for example, the President could nominate an existing judge to the Chief Justice slot and nominate someone else to fill the Associate slot. Current politics dictate the wisdom in avoiding 2 potentially rancorous political fights over 1 position, though. One might expect nominations to the Jedi Council to lack the acrimony of US politics, however. ;)

    Really, I'd expect there to be a mix. The impression I get from the Short-Term slots is that they exist to keep the Council dynamic with what the up-and-coming Knights feel and think and their infamous certain-point-of-view represented. Long-Term slots would be for a more consistent long-term (heh) view of things. Life-Terms would be in recognition of great wisdom and influence.

    Tyvokka could be a Life-Term member and still expect someone else (like Windu?) to get his "Life-Term slot" while thinking a n00b like Koon would start as a Short-Term. Maybe the Life Terms can vote a Short-Term as a Long-Term (or even Life-Term) and the proportions of each category vary from individual to individual based on their tenure as a Jedi and the vote of the existing Jedi Council at the time of nomination?

    Plus there's the possibility of a Council member retiring either their position or "downgrading" their slot. Maybe Saesee (who was reputedly pretty insular IIRC) decided a Life-Term wasn't for him and he downgrades to Short-Term and Obi-Wan (nominated / voted in) as a Short-Term is then, based on reputation and vote of the Council, upgraded to Life-Term. Thus the Musical Chairs witnessed in the seating arrangements between AotC and RotS.
     
  22. Tyrantus

    Tyrantus Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Ah, ok. I thought it was implying Adi was still alive during RotS and that Strass was never on the Jedi Council.
     
  23. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Uxi, you bring up some very valid possibilities. However, only for the TPM Council do we know for sure (Canonically) who holds what term, so within those restraints, various interpretations are possible, and I have simply chosen the one that seems to me to fit the greatest amount of evidence in a way that makes sense to me. We do not canonically know WHY they played musical chairs, nor the canonical terms of Shaak, COleman, and the other Councilors not in TPM. However, I believe the seating is important for SOME reason, since the seating in TPM, AOTC, and CW21 is consistent, and it is only upon Adi's death that we see the musical chairs [the comics draw people wherever, even varying from panel to panel within a comic, so their seating arrangements are meaningless as evidence].

    BTW, there have been some questions as to the formation of the Jedi Council, and POTJSB seems to indicate it was AT LEAST 5000 years old.p. 141:

    "The Senate granted it [the land where the Jedi Temple was built] ti them [the Jedi] in recognition of their defense of the Republic during the Hyperspazce War....
    ....Although the Jedi Council gladly took possession of the land, it had no intention of constructing a citadel....the Council authorized the creation of meditative centers and training facilities....
    THe Council also held that placing a major building on Coruscant would create a popular association between the Jedi Order and the Republic government....The Jedi Council believed in a loose structure that allowed for a shifting center of authority. Even the Council itself met only irregularly and in different locales, altering beterrn Ossus, Chandrila, Alderaan, and other planets....
    ....By the beginning of the Sith War, the beginnings of a great ziggurat had been laid on the land....
    The Sith War changed the Galaxy and the Jedi Order forever....Chief among these [destroyed Jedi worlds] was Ossus, which had housed the Great Library....the Sith War showed them [the Jedi] the value--and necessity--of joint action [with the Republic military]....
    In the aftermath of the Sith War, the Jedi Order forged greater links with the Senate....This alliance brought about the foundation of...the Jedi Temple....THe Jedi began serious talk of centralizing the administration of the Jedi Order on Coruscant, but this did not ocur for generations to come....
    Ironically, it wasn't until the decline of the Sith...that the Council finally authorized the final development of the ziggurat into the Jedi Temple....After the Battle of Ruusan, the Council finally admitted that it could no longer avoid centralizing its authority...."
    p. 142:
    "Consequently, the Council authorized the construction of five towers atop the Ziggurat, keeping the spirit of ancient Jedi architecture on Ossus and Haashimut."

    So, basically, we see

    prior to 4000 BBY, the Council was a mobile body, no single meeting place; this may be the 4-person Council seen in TOTJ, mentioned above

    by 3960, the new 12-person Council has a special 12-person meeting chamber on Coruscant in the ziggurat, as seen in KOTOR II, but is usually divided into sub-councils on various planets, such as Dantooine

    c. 3940, after the death of all the former Councillors in KOTOR II, a new Council, assumedly 12 members, is formed, inc. Mical (the Disciple)

    c. 1000, the Jedi ziggurat is turned into the Jedi Temple, with its five towers, and the COuncil is reorganized with Coruscant as their primary meeting place and center of training, the praxeum system largely abandoned, with only a few revivals (Chu'unthor, Dweem, Almas, Bespin); this is its form until 19 BBY (ROTS).
     
  24. Master_Uxi

    Master_Uxi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    We see a larger council in Dark Lords of the Sith when Nomi et al seek authorization to rescue Ulic from his infiltration of Teta. Crappy artwork compared to what was before, but nonetheless.

    Members... Odan-Ur, Thon, Vodo, Ood-Bnar, some weird looking characters...
     
  25. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    Uxi, could you post a scan of the TOTJ Council (Odan-Urr, etc.)
     
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