Lit Jedi diet -- How you get so big eating food of this kind?

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  1. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Obviously the Jedi would are smart enough to know that there is really no such thing as "healthy" and "unhealthy" foods, just the overall diet that is important, unlike 99% of the Western population. As such they're not going to pointlessly deny themselves of ever eating certain foods because of an ignorant and irrational fear that it's "bad for them".
  2. Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost

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    While I agree that some here in the West are rather ridiculous when it comes to diet assumptions and labels, some things are indeed unhealthy. One would not eat a poisonous mushroom or fungus and not expect consequences.
  3. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Lol true. I would forgive someone referring to a poisonous fungus, pufferfish, rancid meat etc as "unhealthy food". I was referring more specifically to the "burger and chips" comment earlier, but you make a good point.
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  4. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    I don't think you're going to find anyone arguing that potato chips or french fries are a particularly healthful food choice.

    The overall diet is the important thing, but a regular habit of burgers and fries is a recipe for disaster. 99% of the Western population seems to do just that, in part because many of the producers of such foods formulate them specifically to have addictive effects on the consumer. There are indeed foods that trigger hormonal responses that induce people to over-indulge.
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  5. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    [IMG]

    The table is set. What was on it and did they eat?
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  6. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    Vader needs a hyperberic chamber, so he's out. I'm guessing some Stormies had a decent lunch at Lando's expense though.
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  7. Jedifirefly5 Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, unless you're Andrew Zimmern.
  8. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Which is exactly what I just said? Bad diet is bad diet, regardless of what individual foods it's made up of (to an extent). If your classification of an "unhealthful" food is one that, if it were to make up a large proportion of one's diet then it would lead to a bad diet, then that's fair enough. But once again that just circles back around to being the diet that's important. How can eating a burger and fries be "unhealthy" if your diet is perfect? hint: it's not.

    Not physically addictive. Psychologically addictive maybe, but anything that people like can be psychologically addictive. You can be addicted to the taste of fatty, salty, sugary food, or addicted to the ease of consumption of fast food compared with having to prepare a meal.
    So I agree somewhat.

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    I think you're clutching at straws a little bit, but still bringing up some interesting points.
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  9. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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  10. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Great, but not really relevant at all

    It seems like another of those studies that's like "we've always known this, but now it has clinical support"
  11. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    It's a physical addiction.
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  12. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    1 - no it's not, unless you're lacing your food with opioids or benzodiazepines
    2 - Even if it was true (which it's not), it's still completely irrelevant. Saying that a food is "unhealthy" because someone might get "addicted" to it after eating it once and taking up a bad diet means nothing. It's like me saying that having 2 legs chopped off is healthy because it makes you less likely to go out of the house and into dangerous situations.

    More accurately, it would be like saying that red wine is "unhealthy" because you can get physically addicted to alcohol (except that's true, unlike what you said). But that's the opposite of the truth. Moderate, regular intake of red wine is very good for you.
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  13. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    You are very behind on the science. Obviously. You're also splitting hairs. I'm not sure what you consider physical if hormonal addiction isn't physical. That's precisely what a cocaine addiction is. Dopamine.

    And the addictive properties of the food isn't what makes it unhealthy. It's ridiculously unsafe levels of certain nutrients, formulated in such a way as to induce over-eating, like salt, fat and sugar that makes it unhealthy. I'm simply shocked at your idiocy and pedantry here.

    The science on that one really does not agree.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23985540
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  14. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Physical dependence is a scientific phenomenon, it's not just whatever you or I want to define it as, lol. "addiction" as the result of stimulating reward pathways is psychological dependence.

    I find it very rich that you're resorting to name-calling, at the same time displaying the kind of ignorance that I would be disappointed to hear from a 6th grader. I've said this before here, and it's not complicated: A diet is unhealthy if it has too big an excess of calories, fat etc. (sugar and sodium are highly debatable to actually have negative effects except in sodium-responsive hypertensive patients - about 9% IRRC. Sugar being "bad" is pretty much entirely a media concoction that the 90% of the gullible public has fallen for easily, like "low-carb diets" and the sort). A food can't be unhealthy by itself unless it's downright going to lead to negative health outcomes in one serving. You can eat a McDonalds meal everyday and still have a 100% perfect diet. Likewise you can only ever eat "clean" foods and have a bad diet, depending primarily on calories, macros etc.

    Btw the science on health benefits of moderate red wine intake is pretty supportive, a lot of poorly designed studies are inconclusive and poorly controlled for but I'd be happy to link you to some actual research on the topic, some of which I've published myself, rather than a "BBC News" article lol.
  15. Dawud786 Force Ghost

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    I'm actually done with you "Brah." You've really gone in a whole different tangent here, just to be a TROUSERS.

    Again, pedantic in your splitting hairs with regards to food addiction versus opiates. There's plenty of evidence showing very close parallels between food and drug addiction.

    You win, enjoy your smug.
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  16. TheJediBrah Jedi Master

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    Enjoy your sour grapes. I wasn't trying to be a TROUSERS. I was responding directly to your erroneous comments that were aimed directly at my posts. What do you expect me, to do? You're the one who resorted to childish name calling when all I was doing was giving a lesson on basic nutrition, rather politely too, IMO.

    Moral of the story: There's nothing "unhealthy" about an occasional meal of burger and fries. Even a regular one, depending on the overall diet. So there's nothing in any literature to indicate the Skywalkers' dieting habits were anything less than nutritionally perfect.
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