I firmly believe that Jedi Knight II and III follow the Star Wars story firmly and its characters are part of its universe. After all Kyle is in the official databank and what doesnt apply or fit in the Star Wars universe in the two games? From Desann to Tavion and the Disciples of Ragnos, the story is clearly not just a game that is not faithful to the films etc. This thread is up to discuss not the game itself, but the story, characters and why it is or is not part of the Star Wars universe etc... Desann, my favourite character is stronger than Luke Skywalker and is either stronger or nearly as deadly as Darth Vader. Why? Answer: Desann could easily kill Luke, and Luke beat Vader right? Desann's thrashing of Luke proves he is the superior, and with such ease at defeating Luke at that stage of skill as a Jedi proves he would be a match for Vader. Kyle beat Desann coz he outsmarted him and made a pillar crush him. Yup. Tavion is weak. She failed to put up a proper fight against Kyle, and once more, even with the Sceptre of Ragnos, fell before the Jedi Jaden. Her apprentice Alora was being trained by one who hadnt even completed her training herself. Thus Alora was even weaker... With Desann's defeat, and since Tavion never finished her training, the Reborn; army of lesser Dark Jedi, was defeated. The Cultists Tavion assembled were pathetic, empowered by the Sceptre. A pitty the Reborn, given their strength by Desann and the Valley of the Jedi, had to be given Tavion as a new leader. As well, why do you think Admiral Galak Fyyar made the alliance with Desann? Any theories on how that alliance formed. Correct me if I am wrong, but Galak is the creator of the Darktroopers right? Well, so much to the Jedi Knight series. Any thoughts?